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| Jan19-09, 03:32 PM | #35 |
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Origin of universe...String theory is one attempt to reconcile quantum mechanics and gravity. Loop quantum gravity is another. We don't yet know which, if either, is accurate. |
| Jan19-09, 08:16 PM | #36 |
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As noted in the thread to which you link, and by Chalnoth, a great deal of work has already been done, and many results well-established ... and some of the thorny issues have also been identified. Wrt cosmology, it would seem at least some work in the 'alternative' you outline has already been done (and published). IOW, normal science addressing the sorts of puzzles it has been so successful - eventually - tackling for the part several centuries ... |
| Jan20-09, 05:03 AM | #37 |
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If so, how does what you would do, on Monday, differ from what Lee does, every Monday? Or several of the people he mentions? Or Garrett Lisi*? People who have thought thoughts outside the nine dots. People who do not, or did not, have full-time jobs with a university. People who (apparently) had no trouble getting their non-mainstream ideas published, in relevant peer-reviewed journals. And who knows? Maybe history will prove that one of them is (was) the next Einstein? Or maybe that honour will go to Ed Witten? Why should your ideas on how cosmology, as a science, should be done get any more airtime than anyone else's? And how is a really smart, objective, disinterested person to decide whose ideas of how cosmology, as a science, should be done have merit? * who has posted extensively here in PF |
| Jan20-09, 11:54 AM | #38 |
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We have to be patient with the pursue of any TOE.
If we dont know how to explain (AFAIK) the Titius -Bode law how can we aspire to know the ultimate goal of mankind? quoting Chalnot "String theory is one attempt to reconcile quantum mechanics and gravity. Loop quantum gravity is another. We don't yet know which, if either, is accurate." Trying to quantize GR ? Why ? Photons are quantized not by themselves but because the emiters and receptors are ressonators. In the gravity problem I dont see ressonators. May be the unification is not possible at all. I wouldnt be chocked. |
| Jan20-09, 12:14 PM | #39 |
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To attempt to illustrate this, imagine that I have a quantum particle (say, a hydrogen atom), prepared in the following state: |psi> = |0> + |1> ...where |0> is the ground state of the hydrogen atom, and |1> is the first excited state. A hydrogen atom prepared in this superposition of states has no definite energy, and therefore no definite mass. So what is its gravitational field? |
| Jan20-09, 03:26 PM | #40 |
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Not least because the maximum particle energies we can investigate in our labs are still some ~9 orders of magnitude (a billion) smaller than those we have observed in cosmic rays (and natural particle accelerators like AGNs may be even more powerful) ... who knows what new physics there will be when we can investigate the vast regions of parameter space that are today terra incognita? In any case, it's already likely reasonably well understood (an example), and when planetary systems around a large sample of other stars are well characterised, today's theories will have some new data to sink their teeth into. Do you now understand why lots of people try to quantise GR? |
| Jan22-09, 09:18 AM | #41 |
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In classic mechanics when we have a rope with more than one oscilation in presence we do not desesperate. When we have to characterize the temperature (say gravity) of a glass of warmed water we will describe it in macroscopical way, not describing the states of all and each particle of water in the glass. We are seeking the gravity within the 'particle' but perhaps we could find it (or only think of it) only in the space around it as an imprint of some vibration inside the matter. But I dont feel the need to quantize. Who knows if it is a continual (opposed to quantic) interaction between the space and matter. |
| Jan22-09, 09:29 AM | #42 |
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I think you are suggesting that the quantity of persons involved and expecting to solve the quantization of GR is proportional to the difficulties (or impossibility I think). As we dont know the answer the effort must be done. |
| Jan22-09, 09:35 AM | #43 |
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However, the experimental validation of QM is astonishing in its breadth and accuracy! For example, QED, the quantum theory of electromagnetism (which incorporates SR btw) has been tested a dozen ways to Sunday, and all results are within ~2σ of what's expected (from the theory), and the best results match to, what, 14 significant figures. Further, despite intense efforts, over nearly a century now, no 'hidden value' (or 'hidden variable') theory - in which the HUP is some kind of illusion, for example - has come even close to passing the relevant experimental tests. IOW, the universe (or reality, or Nature, or whatever you want to call it) really, truly does seem to be 'quantised'. Oh, and what one feels about any of this stuff - from relativity to quantum mechanics - may be interesting, but it surely isn't science, is it? I mean the resolution of the EPR paradox pretty conclusively shows that naive intuitions are a remarkably unreliable guide, and in the Land of Physics (and Cosmology), Experiment (and Observation) Rules, OK? |
| Jan22-09, 09:40 AM | #44 |
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However, another important motivation is that resolving this mutual incompatibility is the most obvious, and biggest, issue to be addressed to do 'new physics' ... oh and it also impinges upon things like the nature of reality, the origin of the universe, and so on ... |
| Jan22-09, 11:05 AM | #45 |
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Not only intuitions but also appearances and the obvious things are misleading. Quoting Einstein ""God is subtle, but he is not malicious" |
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