Question: Resistors connected in parallel/ series

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of equivalent resistance in circuits, specifically focusing on resistors connected in parallel and series. Participants analyze specific statements regarding the behavior of resistors in these configurations, exploring theoretical implications and practical examples.

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  • Some participants assert that the equivalent resistance of resistors in parallel is always lower than the smallest resistor, while others challenge this by discussing specific examples and calculations.
  • Participants debate the equivalence of two circuits, with some agreeing that the presence of an ideal current source affects the current flow regardless of additional resistors.
  • There is contention regarding the voltage across resistors in series, with some claiming that different resistor values result in different voltages, while others initially believed the voltages to be equal.
  • Several participants suggest using calculations to verify the behavior of resistors in parallel, proposing specific resistor values to illustrate their points.
  • Discussions include the product over sum rule for calculating equivalent resistance in parallel configurations, with some participants confirming its validity for two resistors.

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Participants express differing views on the statements regarding equivalent resistance and voltage across resistors. There is no consensus on the correctness of the initial answers provided, and multiple competing interpretations remain throughout the discussion.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the assumptions underlying their reasoning, particularly regarding the definitions of equivalent resistance and the behavior of circuits with ideal current sources. The discussion includes references to specific textbook examples, indicating a reliance on external resources for clarification.

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Homework Statement



1.The equivalent resistance of several resistors connected in parallel is always lower than the smallest valued resistor.

A) True
B) False


2. The following two circuits are equivalent at terminals A-B.

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1401/circuity.jpg

A) True
B) False


3. For three resistors connected in series, the voltage across each resistor is equal even if the resistors have different values.

A) True
B) False

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For number 1, I guessed True. I'm not sure but my reasoning behind is by KCL and KVL, voltages around a loop and current entering a node is zero at every instant. Again, I'm not sure about this one.

For number 2, I guessed False. The cicuit on the left, I used Ohm's law to find its voltage; 50(v). On the other hand, the right circuit doesn't have a resistor at all. So I thought since 50(v) is greater than 0 (v) {the right circuit}, the statement is false, which states two circuits are equivalent.

For number 3, I guessed True, because by the definition KVL, the sum of voltages around a loop equals zero.

I'm confident about my answer for number 3, but I'm doubtful about 1 and 2.
 
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Note: I'm commenting about your reasoning but not saying any of your answers are wrong...or right. It's not sufficient to guess correctly but to know why which I assume you already appreciate.


Number 1 start with the smallest valued resistor by itself. If you add another in parallel will the total resistance go up or down?

Number 2 your reasoning looks good.

In number 3 there is no mention of a loop. You have three resistors in series. That means current flowing through anyone flows through them all so the currents are equal. How does this relate to the voltages?
 
For 1, the total resistance will go up.

For 2, I checked my textbook, and there is an example that shows a circuit and a equivalent circuit of its original circuit. Turns out, I was wrong. This one is actually True.

For 3, that means the total voltage passing through each resistor is equal to the total resistance of the three resistors.

R1 ---- R2 ---- R3
3ohms 4ohms 5ohms
3volts 4volts 5volts


Therefore, it's false!
 
cathode said:
For 1, the total resistance will go up.
Think of a stream analogue. If you dig a channel parallel to the stream do you get more or less flow? (more flow = less resistance, less flow = more resistance)?
For 2, I checked my textbook, and there is an example that shows a circuit and a equivalent circuit of its original circuit. Turns out, I was wrong. This one is actually True.
I thought the question vague. Was there more detail about the meters?
For 3, that means the total voltage passing through each resistor is equal to the total resistance of the three resistors.

R1 ---- R2 ---- R3
3ohms 4ohms 5ohms
3volts 4volts 5volts


Therefore, it's false!
Right!

Nothing beats a nice concrete example to clarify!
 
About question number 2. You have an ideal current source. The current in terminal A will be 5A, whether there is a resistor in series or not.
 
CEL said:
About question number 2. You have an ideal current source. The current in terminal A will be 5A, whether there is a resistor in series or not.

Ahhh! I didn't recognize that particular circuit element. That explains it. Does that make sense to you Cathode?
 
cathode said:

Homework Statement



1.The equivalent resistance of several resistors connected in parallel is always lower than the smallest valued resistor.

A) True
B) False

Why don't you just try a few with a calculator? For example, the parallel combination of 10 ohms and 90 ohms would be 9 ohms. What general pattern emerges from such results?
 
Hi Cathode,
for question

3. For three resistors connected in series, the voltage across each resistor is equal even if the resistors have different values.

A) True
B) False

>>> The answer should be B) False. Different resistor value gives different voltage as the current is the same in series.
 
I'm still not understanding about question 1...
 
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cathode said:
I'm still not understanding about question 1...

For simplicity, consider two resistors: R1 and R2. What is the resistance of their parallel connection?
 
  • #11
is the relationship, the product over sum rule?
 
  • #12
cathode said:
is the relationship, the product over sum rule?

Yes, if the number of resistors in parallel is exactly two.

If there are two, then the more general expression R = 1/[(1/R1)+(1/R2)] will also be equal to R1 R1 / R1 + R2. But don't try using the product over the sum if there are three or more resistors.
 
  • #13
cathode said:
is the relationship, the product over sum rule?

Yes.
R_{eq}=\frac{R_1R_2}{R_1+R_2}
Suppose R_2 is the smaller resistor. Divide the numerator and the denominator by R_1. You get:

R_{eq}=\frac{R_2}{1 + R_2/R_1}.
Since R_2 is divided by a quantity greater than 1, the result must be smaller than R_2.
You can consider the parallel of three resistors as the parallel of one with the equivalent of the parallel of the other two and so on.
 
  • #14
ahh now I get it.
Thanks so much for the help, everyeon!
 

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