image
Physics Forums Logo
image
image
* Register * Upgrade Blogs Library Staff Rules Mark Forums Read
image
image   image
image

Go Back   Physics Forums > Physics > General Physics


Reply

image Bicycles and their mad skillz Share It Thread Tools Search this Thread image
Old Nov22-09, 02:37 PM                  #1
Rhine720

Rhine720 is Offline:
Posts: 68
Bicycles and their mad skillz

Alright. So I'm froob and must admit I don't quite understand the bicycle and how it seems to give you more for less, so to say. I figured the shape of a wheel and how the curves stand off from the ground sorta enable gravity to give an extra pull on it. How ever , when I went to look it up it said the wheels acts like a lever. Hmm, So how does a lever work? Couldn't find a very exact reason for that. Somehow the lever and the wheel-lever definitions need to match...

Thanks!
  Reply With Quote
Old Nov22-09, 02:47 PM                  #2
jtbell

PF Mentor
 
jtbell's Avatar

jtbell is Offline:
Posts: 4,829
Re: Bicycles and their mad skillz

Originally Posted by Rhine720 View Post
more for less
More what for less what?
  Reply With Quote
Old Nov22-09, 03:19 PM                  #3
Rhine720

Rhine720 is Offline:
Posts: 68
Re: Bicycles and their mad skillz

Well for like one step may only get you two feet, while going down on the pedal may take you several
  Reply With Quote
Old Nov22-09, 03:37 PM                  #4
A.T.

A.T. is Offline:
Posts: 1,034
Re: Bicycles and their mad skillz

Originally Posted by Rhine720 View Post
Well for like one step may only get you two feet, while going down on the pedal may take you several
This is mainly due to rolling. But assuming no rolling (high friction) the bike would be just a lever: you foot moves less than the tire, but with more force, depending on the gearing.
  Reply With Quote
Old Nov22-09, 04:46 PM                  #5
russ_watters

PF Mentor

russ_watters is Offline:
Posts: 15,188
Re: Bicycles and their mad skillz

Gears give mechanical advantage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_advantage
  Reply With Quote
Old Nov22-09, 05:02 PM                  #6
sophiecentaur

sophiecentaur is Online:
Posts: 544
Re: Bicycles and their mad skillz

Gear wheels and cranks are both, effectively, levers. They move around a pivot and the Velocity Ratio is the ratio of the two radii involved. The 'perpendicular distance' as referred to in lever calculations, is just the radius for a wheel and the length of crank (assuming you are pushing on it at right angles).

What you get "more for less" is distance traveled. This involves more force, of course, because you can't get more energy (/power) out than you put in. The Mechanical Advantage is the actual ratio of the forces involved and the Efficiency is given by:
Efficiency = MA/VR
this is always less than unity but pretty good in biycles, the majority of the loss being due to the rolling resistance of the tyres which are constantly having to raise you 'up hill' as the tyre is always flattened against the road slightly. That's why you pump up racing tyres to insane pressures. Chains and sprockets and ball races are pretty damned efficient by any standard.
  Reply With Quote
image image
Reply
Thread Tools


Similar Threads for: Bicycles and their mad skillz
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
mechanics of bicycles bill nye scienceguy! General Engineering 1 Nov5-07 12:19 PM
A shocker - regarding bicycles? pivoxa15 General Discussion 3 Jul14-07 11:01 AM
bicycles problems Jir General Physics 2 Feb7-05 09:04 AM
Fast bicycles Bartholomew General Engineering 0 Dec29-04 12:23 AM
Bicycles and Rotational Motion Soaring Crane Introductory Physics 1 Nov24-04 05:29 AM

Powered by vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. © 2009 Physics Forums
Sciam | physorgPhysorg.com Science News Partner
image
image   image