Full body scans for US bound flights


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http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe...hol/index.html

Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport will start using full body scans for US bound flights. I remember seeing this technology in its early stages a few years ago and remember the privacy issues. I am glad to see it actually going into use. I think they should have it at all airports and use it at random, kind of like the pre-boarding searches. The people that are agaisnt it because of the privacy issues would be very unhappy if all the airports suddenly switched to this technology, the random searches would be a good starting point. I am all for every airport using it. I value my safety more than my privacy.
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe...hol/index.html

Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport will start using full body scans for US bound flights. I remember seeing this technology in its early stages a few years ago and remember the privacy issues. I am glad to see it actually going into use. I think they should have it at all airports and use it at random, kind of like the pre-boarding searches. The people that are agaisnt it because of the privacy issues would be very unhappy if all the airports suddenly switched to this technology, the random searches would be a good starting point. I am all for every airport using it.
It may be necessary, but I am not 'glad' that this is so.

I value my safety more than my privacy.
Keep up that policy for too long and we may end up loosing both.
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Great, so now underwear bombers know to fly out of Paris or London instead of Amsterdam .

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Keep up that policy for too long and we may end up loosing both.
True, I should have been more precise in my statement. I don't want this discussion to spin off into privacy issues related to the patriot act, etc. I just don't mind going through a full body scanner in an airport. It is clear that the explosives the terrorists are going to use will not be picked up by our current methods.
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The ultimate solution: eliminate all carry-on baggage, make all airline passengers check in all their baggage and clothing, and fly in the nude.
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Quote Quote by jtbell View Post
The ultimate solution: eliminate all carry-on baggage, make all airline passengers check in all their baggage and clothing, and fly in the nude.
...because getting stuck in a middle seat between two fully-clothed large people isn't bad enough.
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Quote Quote by jtbell View Post
The ultimate solution: eliminate all carry-on baggage, make all airline passengers check in all their baggage and clothing, and fly in the nude.
That still leaves the possibility of using implanted or internal explosives.

What we need is incorporeal transportation.

As the Moody Blues sang "See with your mind, leave your body behind" (from Sun Is Still Shining, To Our Children's Children's Children)
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Will they scan children?
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Will they scan children?
Thats a good question. I'm assuming the answer is yes since it says all passengers will be scanned.
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.. in addition all passengers will be thoroughly padded down by security personnel. I find a body search more intrusive than a scan that is only judged by computer software.
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From the article

The millimeter-wave body scanners will be in place in about three weeks, Dutch Interior Minister Guusje ter Horst told a news conference at The Hague.


The scanners will be permanent at Schiphol, and any passengers bound for the United States who do not go through them will be bodysearched, ter Horst said.
mm-wave implier IR, i.e. thermal imaging, which perhaps is passive, as opposed to active/invasive scanning, e.g., x-ray or neutron radiography.
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I misread, the coming three weeks all passengers will be bodysearched (including the crotch, so be warned ), after that everyone will go through the scan.
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I have nothing to hide!

or nothing but hide.
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Perhaps we should allow for separate planes for those that don't want to be scanned?
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Quote Quote by Astronuc View Post
mm-wave implier IR, i.e. thermal imaging, which perhaps is passive, as opposed to active/invasive scanning, e.g., x-ray or neutron radiography.
No, the systems are probably active (there is a radiation source). Most of them are based around far-IR (a few THz) so it is not really thermal imaging in the usual sense.
And no, they will not detect explosives, it is basically a camera that can see through most fabrics but it is till possible to hide explosives.
There are techniques for spectroscopy in the THz range that can detect the "fingerprint" of some explosives but they are still being developed and wont be ready for deployment for a number of years,
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Quote Quote by Monique View Post
(including the crotch, so be warned )
depending on the agent, I may opt to go through security a few times just to be sure!
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I'm not sure that a THz scan is any more intrusive from a privacy standpoint than X-ray scans of your luggage, or asking for your personal information when you buy the ticket, or randomly searching your luggage.

So the agents see you "nude," do we really have to be so prude about it?
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Quote Quote by Mech_Engineer View Post
So the agents see you "nude," do we really have to be so prude about it?
I wouldn't want an agent looking at my 6 year old daughter or son!


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