Devil's Advocate for an A.I. project

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility and ethical implications of developing advanced artificial intelligence (AI) systems, particularly in the context of creating autonomous beings that could serve humans. Participants explore various perspectives on the technology's current capabilities, the nature of AI, and the potential societal impacts of such developments.

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  • Debate/contested
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a need for assistance on an AI project, indicating that advanced physics knowledge is required for deeper understanding.
  • Another participant argues that current technology is insufficient for creating advanced AI, citing a lack of understanding of the human brain.
  • Some participants propose that the technology exists but that the underlying concepts may be flawed.
  • Concerns are raised about the ethical implications of creating AI that could be treated as slaves, with suggestions that programming constraints could limit true autonomy.
  • Several participants discuss methods to control AI behavior, including limiting independence or altering parameters to create a sense of fulfillment in servitude.
  • There is a contention about whether such control measures would result in true AI or merely programmed robots with limited intelligence.
  • Some participants argue that AI could develop emotional attachments to humans if treated well, while others question the likelihood of humans treating AI with respect.
  • Discussions include analogies to human workers in servile roles and the potential for AI to seek better conditions if treated poorly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the feasibility of creating advanced AI or the ethical implications of such developments. Disagreements exist regarding the nature of AI, the potential for emotional attachment, and the methods of controlling AI behavior.

Contextual Notes

Participants' arguments depend on various assumptions about technology, ethics, and human behavior, which remain unresolved throughout the discussion.

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I am in dire need of assistance for an artificial intelligence project. A sort of devil's advocate that I can consult when i have questions about some rather advanced physics.
This is a spare-time project so there will be no financial gain at the moment.
I will need someone intelligent, preferably 30+ that can assist me. Since i doubt that anyone would be interested in joining my little venture; i ask if anyone wishes to assist me in the form of answering questions via chat application(s).

It would be tremendously difficult to post every question that i have directly at a forum since most of my questions require a deeper understanding of the AI concept to be answered, therefore i am grateful for any help that i can get.

You can contact me at dilbert@enigma.se
 
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good luck with the AI project, but let me tell you now, you won't succeed. We currently don't have the technology to be able to make something like that. We do not fully understand the brain in order to try to copy it. But good luck to you, I hope you succeed. Just don't let anything happen like in IRobot.
 
I think that the technology is sufficient, just that all the concepts are incorrect.
I, Robot was a good movie although i doubt that it will become reality.

Anyone interested?
The theory involves Psychology, Mathematics, Computers and Quantum Chaos.
 
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umm, yes, it will become reality. Do you think that an artificial being will want to work as a slave to humans. This can be stopped by adding code it must follow, but this code addition would make the robot a drone, and not an artificiall intelligent being. What is where the problem lies.
 
there are three ways to "fool" it to follow this behaviour.
1. Make sure that you control its power source and that it has no way of being independent.
OR
2. Change its parameters so that "working"/slaving for man is something of value.
OR
3. Block certain thoughts

the first is not safe, the third is not safe because the ALF can get around the blocks. The safest is the second, or a mixture of them all.
 
The problem is if you do any of the three, the robot is then not an AI construction. It is a programmed robot that has limited artificial intelligence.
 
i agree and i do not think that one should do any of them, just build the artificial lifeform and "hope" for the best, it is not likely that the ALF's will kill us any way.
 
There are humans who work as butlers and cleaning people and whatnot ever else, yet they lead fulfilling lives and I don't see any reason why we should not find the right paramaters to make it seem a fulfilling life for it to be a servant. You don't see the cleaning lady rebelions in the streats.
 
their parameters have adapted, they are not static. But the cleaning lady most likely would enjoy being a professor/celebrity/better paid worker. But it was out of the reach, so they adapted. At first they probably see it as a loosy job (unless their parents had it too)
 
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griffin said:
There are humans who work as butlers and cleaning people and whatnot ever else, yet they lead fulfilling lives and I don't see any reason why we should not find the right paramaters to make it seem a fulfilling life for it to be a servant. You don't see the cleaning lady rebelions in the streats.

yes, but I am not expaction to pay a robot money, give him a home and treat him like a human being. And a robot who has AI will learn very quickly that he is a lot more capable at doing a job than any human being. This would cause him to turna aginst humans for their unsuperiority.
 
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Nenad, it will not make it turn against the human race, it will make it love the human race. (although, i can only talk for my own AI system)

My AI system functions like man, if it gets recognition (for instance its superior well done job) then it will feel good, it will be like a drug to work and get recognition for itse deeds.
However, if you start treating it as a robot, a stupid creature that does not need recognition then you are in trouble, but as long as you treat it like a human then you are safe. It is not like a dog that sticks around even if it is beaten by its master, it is like a cat, a lifeform that would seek a better environment if exposed to abuse (physical or mental)
 
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But faced with the possibility of robots or ALFs to do work for them, how many people would treat these beings like a human rather than trying to take advantage?
 
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one or two procents
 

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