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Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, 6 YTBN Shot, Killed In Tuscon AZ

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For a group that usually sticks to the facts, this thread sure has a lot of speculation in it. A person would have a far higher chance of hitting 20 people with a pistol one shot at a time, not fully automatic. There is a reason in the vietnam war the average was somewhere around 50,000 rounds fired for each kill, iirc.

Rhody: High capacity magazines are nothing new, I had a 30 round clip for my 1911 .45. It is true though that stock most are usually from 10-15 depending on the caliber and the style of grip.
Yes, but they'd have to be a crack shot with a handgun, and evade counter-fire. Spray and pray is still the most likely explanation, but in theory you're correct. Remember that above all, this is an attempted (so far) assassination of a public official at point blank range. Clearly the rest was just more for him, and I don't know that picking people off is likely. It's mostly speculation however, but that's why I made this in GD. Remember that these kind of people share common beliefs, common goals (not specific, but personal) to make themselves a part of what they see as 'right history'... hence I suspect his "mein kampf" and "communist manifesto" love.

DevilsAvocado: It's the first thing I thought, and if I were to bet, it's still what I'd put money on. HOWEVER... this guy loved 2 really really REALLY nasty books... or rather, books which espouse a terrible world-view.

I have to say, in this case I think pengwuino is right... this guy reeks of, 'LOOK AT ME!', and just latching on to what his type sees as 'powerful' ideologies.
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I'm not enjoying reading "Jared" all the time.

Despite knowing I'm not the only one, it feels strange to read that especially given the topic at hand.

Anyhow, wouldn't anyone capable of this be considered mentally unstable?
jarednjames,

Yeah, I get the guilt by association thing, lets let the FBI, etc... do their work and let the chips fall where they may. I would be willing to bet by Monday we will know much much more, although probably not every last detail. In these days of instant access to information 24/7 in near real time, I can't even begin to imagine what his family and friends must be experiencing at the moment. There is nothing else for me to say in this thread so I will bow out here. This plain sucks.

Rhody...
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I pray to 'Einstein' that you are right.
Consider: You're a right wing, Palin-loving psychopath who thinks it's your mandate to kill this woman. You shoot her in the head... why do you open fire on a crowd, and a 9 year old girl? That's a mass-killer, spree-killer... that type... they're more alike than not, and their ideology is always window dressing.

Stress + Nuts + Means/Motive/Opportunity = Tragedy.
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What incredible irony! Guess who read the First Amendment on the floor of the House the other day.



Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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What incredible irony! Guess who read the First Amendment on the floor of the House the other day.

Better the first than the second in the irony department. I find it disturbing to see someone alive and vital, who's fighting to live as I type.
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I never went to www.sarahpac.com before, but I went there just now and I couldn't find the target map. Does anyone know where to look, or did she perhaps remove it. There is a statement of sympathy for the victims of the shooting.
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Jan8-11, 05:46 PM
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Does anyone know where to look
Itís gone, you can find it here.
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Better the first than the second in the irony department.
True!

I find it disturbing to see someone alive and vital, who's fighting to live as I type.
It seems that she was incredibly lucky. According to Sanjay Gupta on CNN, who is himself a neurosurgeon, that the attending neurosugeon expressed optimism that she will recover, is highly significant. One would not normally expect this given the nature of the injury.

It was a Glock 9mm, which is not something you would expect to survive at point blank.
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True. I do really hope he is mentally ill, though. If he isn't, then God help us if people are capable of this.
We all are. You included. You just haven't been pushed far enough yet. I'm not saying the shooter is or isn't crazy. Most people refuse to believe that they are capable of something like this. Main difference between people is how much 'pushing' and in what way.
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Itís gone, you can find it here.
I meant where to look on Palin's site. Apparently she did take it down.
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I never went to www.sarahpac.com before, but I went there just now and I couldn't find the target map. Does anyone know where to look, or did she perhaps remove it. There is a statement of sympathy for the victims of the shooting.
It was originally on her FaceBook page.
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For the large number of crazies in the Tea Party, it takes a special kind of person to do something like this. The more I'm hearing about this guy, he sounds like he had some political beliefs that aren't really aligned with any sizable political movement in the US.
As I posted elsewhere on PF previously, my only experience with the Tea Party is a clip from TV of a guy ranting how he wanted "all commies to die" and then threatened to kill the camera man "if he was a commie" (he said he wasn't and the guy let it go).

He was screaming and shouting and someone I believe would do as he said. I always find it disturbing to see people like this.

I know it doesn't represent the whole Tea Party, but it only takes one with this mentality to take things a bit to seriously (as with that list).
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Itís gone, you can find it here.
Thanks.

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why do you open fire on a crowd, and a 9 year old girl?
I guess youíre right.

As a little boy, I loved guns and I used to hunt with my granddad in the woods and win shooting contests, etc, but that went over as a teenager, when my electric guitar became my gun of love.

This is clearly some "cultural clash", if I didnít know better, I would guess that you guys are professional hitmen for godís sake. I have absolutely no idea what caliber it takes to blow a hole in a human skull, and Iím proud of it.

I guess, and I hope, that you and Pengwuino are right. BUT, this reasoning builds on the fact the crazy gunman and Gabrielle Giffords was in the same place by pure chance and nothing more...

Itís maybe useless and dumb to speculate anymore.

My thoughts go to the 6 killed and injured...

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True!



It seems that she was incredibly lucky. According to Sanjay Gupta on CNN, who is himself a neurosurgeon, that the attending neurosugeon expressed optimism that she will recover, is highly significant. One would not normally expect this given the nature of the injury.

It was a Glock 9mm, which is not something you would expect to survive at point blank.
I'm stunned... and the surgeon stated clearly that the bullet passed through the brain. At this point, I'm sure her doctors are stunned too.


DA: I know what you mean about the professional hitmen; they're psychopaths, and these people are psychopaths as well. Both are predators of their own kind, both for reasons a sane person would reject, and both are just plain scary. Just remember, we have a sensational media, and while this is terrible, until I see anything but a continued drop in national murder rates, I'm accepting that this is unusual and the rest is mostly media distortion.
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Thanks.
Careful... someone might call you a moron...
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I'm stunned... and the surgeon stated clearly that the bullet passed through the brain. At this point, I'm sure her doctors are stunned too.


DA: I know what you mean about the professional hitmen; they're psychopaths, and these people are psychopaths as well. Both are predators of their own kind, both for reasons a sane person would reject, and both are just plain scary. Just remember, we have a sensational media, and while this is terrible, until I see anything but a continued drop in national murder rates, I'm accepting that this is unusual and the rest is mostly media distortion.
Professional hitmen are psychopaths?
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My wife and I visited Tucson several times during my mother's last years there (2005-08), so we were naturally curious about exactly where this happened. The national TV news reports apparently don't consider this information important for a national audience, so I had to rummage around Tucson TV web sites for a while. I finally found it: the Safeway on Oracle Road at Ina, about a mile north of the motel where we always stayed, and where we usually shopped for groceries.


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