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Japan earthquake - contamination & consequences outside Fukushima NPP

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tsutsuji
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Jul30-11, 05:50 AM
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http://www.iwate-np.co.jp/cgi-bin/to...cgi?20110730_5 (Iwate Daily) Iwate prefecture created an Atomic Power Radiation Consequences Countermeasure Headquarters which held its first meeting yesterday. Cross sectoral teams will be formed in August. They plan to reinforce the radiation surveillance of schools and swimming pools. They will make plans for the control of Autumn harvests. Regarding farm animals, the control will be limited to cows, as pigs and chicken are grown indoors with mainly food from abroad. They will network with cities and village in order to manage the lack of a sufficient number of measurement tools.
zapperzero
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Aug3-11, 09:30 AM
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Sellafield MOX reprocessing facility closing down as a direct consequence of Fukushima.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ox-plant-close
Caniche
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Aug4-11, 03:24 PM
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Sellafield MOX reprocessing facility closing down as a direct consequence of Fukushima.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ox-plant-close
Thank goodness, in these times of austerity the taxpayer can ill afford to subsidise a private nuclear concern to the tune of 1.4 billion. Now we just have to ditch the other 3.1 billion subsidy to this super efficient industry. Where is the "free market" when your life depends on it
zapperzero
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Aug18-11, 09:36 AM
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...adc6e480e0.4c1
Forty-five percent of children tested in the region around Japan's stricken nuclear plant were found to have traces of radioactive elements in their thyroid glands, an official said Thursday.
The official said that the iodine concentrations -- found in tests that the government carried out about five months ago in Fukushima prefecture -- were not considered alarming in terms of their health impact.
"The government's official position is that none of the children showed radiation levels that would be problematic," he told AFP.
tsutsuji
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Aug19-11, 08:03 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEAaYCEpSmw and http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/genpatsu-...inosenmap.html Tepco and JAEA, using a Kyoto University measurement system have created a new radiation map on Google Earth displaying the measurements made by (a) monitoring car(s) running on the roads in the 100 km range over a total distance of 17,000 km since mid-June. The car(s) made one measurement every 10 seconds. Radiations may increase 10-fold between locations separated by only 100 m.
zapperzero
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Aug19-11, 01:36 PM
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Radiations may increase 10-fold between locations separated by only 100 m.
Hotspots.
Jim Lagerfeld
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Aug19-11, 07:36 PM
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North winds and rain for the first time in quite a while in Tokyo, while we were all out enjoying the a break from the heatwave, environmental radiation clearly spiked during the short rain storm - from o.o65 to 0.01 uSv in Kawasaki, 0.058 to 0.093 in Saitama city. You can see it very clearly here: http://guregoro.sakura.ne.jp/radioactivity/kanagawa/ and a screen grab here data is taken from official prefectural monitoring stations.
tsutsuji
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Aug20-11, 01:05 AM
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http://www.47news.jp/CN/201108/CN2011082001000306.html An experiment is made in a rice field at Iitate-Mura where growing rice is forbidden. They spread a fixation agent. After one week, they remove the crust with agricultural machinery. The chemical cost being 170 / m , the problem is to lower the cost.
zapperzero
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Aug20-11, 05:21 AM
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http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/...dm013000c.html
cumulative radiation in the town of Namie, 22 km northwest of the plant, was estimated at 115 millisieverts over the five-month period, the highest among locations outside the zone and equivalent to 229 millisieverts over a 12-month period.
Words cannot express my anger.
alpi
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Aug20-11, 10:26 AM
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Would it be better to forcibly evacuate more people despite what is said here http://www.spiegel.de/international/...780810,00.html ? Don't think so.
zapperzero
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Aug20-11, 10:40 AM
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Would it be better to forcibly evacuate more people despite what is said here http://www.spiegel.de/international/...780810,00.html ? Don't think so.
Forcibly? Straw man argument.

Problem: as of today, anything beyond the 20km exclusion radius around Fukushima NPP is considered "normal". Therefore, people wishing to relocate cannot get any help from either gov't or TEPCO.

Problem: 0.2 Sieverts is way beyond the level at which you expect to start seeing definite health effects.

So yea, <text removed> I didn't think I could get any angrier.
nikkkom
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Aug20-11, 02:03 PM
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http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/...dm013000c.html
"cumulative radiation in the town of Namie, 22 km northwest of the plant, was estimated at 115 millisieverts over the five-month period, the highest among locations outside the zone and equivalent to 229 millisieverts over a 12-month period."

Words cannot express my anger.
Can you elaborate?
zapperzero
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Aug20-11, 02:47 PM
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Can you elaborate?
On the anger issue? I am afraid this is the wrong thread. I am angry because the town should have been evacuated, with full support from TEPCO and the Japanese gov't.
Astronuc
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Aug20-11, 03:37 PM
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Quote Quote by alpi View Post
Would it be better to forcibly evacuate more people despite what is said here http://www.spiegel.de/international/...780810,00.html ? Don't think so.
TEPCO and the government should support folks who would like to leave, as in voluntary evacuation, rather than live with exposure to the radioactivity/radiation that TEPCO caused.
Gary7
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Aug20-11, 04:14 PM
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I would point out that some of the city of Namie is located within the 20 km evacuation zone, and some is within the wider "planned evacuation zone". The city government of Namie has encouraged people to relocate, and they are assisting people in this regard. There are temporary shelters set up in Fukushima city for use by residents of Namie, and there are a number of schemes from the city, prefecture, and national government set up to provide cash for the citizens of Namie. Information direct from the Namie city hall website http://www.town.namie.fukushima.jp/ .

Recently there are also movements to get cash settlements from Tepco.

Whether or not all the above is sufficient or fair or just, I shall leave it to others to hash out on the political thread.
zapperzero
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Aug21-11, 01:44 AM
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I would point out that some of the city of Namie is located within the 20 km evacuation zone, and some is within the wider "planned evacuation zone". The city government of Namie has encouraged people to relocate, and they are assisting people in this regard. There are temporary shelters set up in Fukushima city for use by residents of Namie, and there are a number of schemes from the city, prefecture, and national government set up to provide cash for the citizens of Namie. Information direct from the Namie city hall website http://www.town.namie.fukushima.jp/ .

Recently there are also movements to get cash settlements from Tepco.

Whether or not all the above is sufficient or fair or just, I shall leave it to others to hash out on the political thread.
The site says there were tsunami refugees living in a shelter in Namie, as late as this month.
http://translate.googleusercontent.c...cUM166dY0gtrJw
There is also talk there of building temporary housing. This does not sound like a planned evacuation!

Not a question of politics, but of public health and radiation safety.
rowmag
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Aug21-11, 02:53 AM
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Quote Quote by Jim Lagerfeld View Post
North winds and rain for the first time in quite a while in Tokyo, while we were all out enjoying the a break from the heatwave, environmental radiation clearly spiked during the short rain storm - from o.o65 to 0.01 uSv in Kawasaki, 0.058 to 0.093 in Saitama city. You can see it very clearly here: http://guregoro.sakura.ne.jp/radioactivity/kanagawa/ and a screen grab here data is taken from official prefectural monitoring stations.
Yes, I had noticed this in another location which was also downwind of Fukushima Daiichi and raining heavily that day. Two questions, for anyone who knows:

1) Why did the levels drop again after the rain stopped? If it was Cesium being brought down, should it not have remained on the ground and raised the background level permanently afterwards (as happened in the March bursts in several places)? But it doesn't, it drops back to the previous level after the rain stops. Why the difference this time from the spikes in March?

2) What does this imply about the ongoing level of atmospheric emissions from the plant?
Gary7
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Aug21-11, 05:31 AM
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I don't wish to engage in a polemic about what the country, prefecture, or city is doing (or isn't doing) to insure the health of its citizens. I was pointing out that parts of Namie are within the evacuation zone, and other parts are in the "planned evacuation zone" (whether or not the "planned" in either the translation or the original Japanese is appropriate or not I leave to the linguists). And I was also pointing out the existence of financial help at the national, prefectural, and city level. I would be extremely surprised if anyone in Namie city is finding life to be normal.

The Adatara Stadium in the article for which you provided the link, is part of the temporary shelters available to the residents of Namie. It is located in the city of Nihonmatsu, some 10 miles or so beyond the "planned evacuation zone". It is being returned to its original function as a stadium, and so Namie town is asking those sheltering in that stadium to relocate to other temporary shelters (which are located throughout Nihonmatsu and Fukushima city).


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