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Mitt Romney's candidacy

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turbo
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Jan19-12, 03:44 PM
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They both have SO much baggage!
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Jan19-12, 04:03 PM
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Man! Romney was dead-set against tax-havens when he was governor of MA. It seems that he and Bain Capital are quite fond of them though.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1216558.html

This is not going to play too well with people that were "downsized" out of their jobs due to predatory take-overs. IF the press is willing to pay a little time and attention to the issue and educate the unwashed masses.
Mad_Miller20
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Jan19-12, 04:20 PM
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I think that Romney has a good chance against Obama. Maybe I'm the only one on here because no one seems to be defending him. What do y'all think?

I might be outnumbered here but I think anything is better than who we have now.
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Jan19-12, 05:13 PM
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Why do you think he has a better chance against Obama than anyone else? Is it possible that the reason Romney is so far ahead is that the conservatives are splitting their votes between multiple candidates? If it were just Romney vs. Gingrich or just Romney vs. Santorum, do you think he would be so far ahead?
mheslep
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Jan19-12, 05:28 PM
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Whoops! I was actually thinking of Rick Santorum on that one. Sorry. I would edit my post if I could.
Or perhaps it was Michelle Bachman on that one.
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Jan19-12, 10:10 PM
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Whoops! I was actually thinking of Rick Santorum on that one. Sorry. I would edit my post if I could.
That wasn't actually Rick Santorum who said that either, it was one of his campaign members in a private email a year or so ago.
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Jan19-12, 10:18 PM
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The good: Romney is frank about his views, which I respect. He plainly says that he is against ... medical marijuana...
Romney is even against coffee, is he not?
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Jan19-12, 10:26 PM
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That wasn't actually Rick Santorum who said that either, it was one of his campaign members in a private email a year or so ago.
Really, hmm. I definitely read an article that said Rick said it himself. Sad what journalism is coming to these days!
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Jan19-12, 11:55 PM
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Gov. Romney merely appears the most reasonable and pragmatic of the GOP candidates. His business credentials are strong and isn't that the principal problem the country faces right now? Near as I can tell none of those other guys know diddly-poop about how business really works and how to turn failing institutions around.

Throughout history those able to choose picked leaders who fit the circumstances of the times. To do otherwise, to choose a candidate based on ideology, is self-defeating. As a secondary criteria I would like a social liberal but first we need a fiscal and constitutional conservative. We need to restore faith in our financial and regulatory institutions.

As for the other stuff; if you don't like gay marriage then don't do it; if you don't like abortions, don't have one; if you don't like cigarettes, don't smoke them; if you don't like porn, don't watch it. Mostly, if you don't want your rights taken away, don't take away those of others.

Thus Endeth the Rant,
RD
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Jan19-12, 11:56 PM
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I don't think you're going to restore faith in any financial or regulatory institutions at this point. It's quite clear what they stand for, and it's not something that inspires faith (at least not in me).
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Jan20-12, 12:02 AM
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Gov. Romney merely appears the most reasonable and pragmatic of the GOP candidates. His business credentials are strong and isn't that the principal problem the country faces right now?
I don't think business credentials and ability to revamp the economy are interchangeable. The government isn't a business. That is, their goal shouldn't be maximum profit. I think people's concern are not with a rich man's business credentials, but his motivations. If his goal truly was the best for Americans, that's great, but I am concerned that his goals would be for himself.
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Jan20-12, 12:06 PM
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I don't think business credentials and ability to revamp the economy are interchangeable. The government isn't a business. That is, their goal shouldn't be maximum profit. I think people's concern are not with a rich man's business credentials, but his motivations. If his goal truly was the best for Americans, that's great, but I am concerned that his goals would be for himself.
So King, I cannot fully counter your concerns. Nor would i want to. We all most probably chose this forum because we wanted to confer with those others of a scientific bent. We have a, perhaps, different way of llooking the world, more critical, more skeptical and more demanding of proof.

Applying all that, I must admit a certain reluctance to take the Gov. at face value although he seems like a decent guy to me. My instinct is bouyed by my almost instant judgments of Mr. Obama's character which have proved to be, for the most part, accurate. But that's not very scientific. Romney has yet to be tested in the national stage, but there's lots of data from his other work. Those data would indicate that he acquitted himself admirably. We elected Obama with nothing like that degree of scrutiny. Let's see what the American electorate will do with a much richer data field.

RD
mheslep
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Jan20-12, 03:43 PM
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No the government is not a business. However, government leadership should understand business and the drag government places on business, especially small business. They should understand why an employer hires somebody, what works against hiring. That applies now more than ever given unprecedented government invasions into the private economy. The current administration, and the government at large, seems to operate as if the private economy is some giant t-shirt factory: of no real importance to things that 'matter', aside from paying taxes to run the government and employ people not already working for government.


For example:

Quote Quote by CEO Peter Schiff, Congressional Testimony
In my own business, securities regulations have prohibited me from hiring brokers for more than three years. I was even fined fifteen thousand dollar expressly for hiring too many brokers in 2008. In the process I incurred more than $500,000 in legal bills to mitigate a more severe regulatory outcome as a result of hiring too many workers. I have also been prohibited from opening up additional offices. I had a major expansion plan that would have resulted in my creating hundreds of additional jobs. Regulations have forced me to put those jobs on hold.
But President Obama can see no bad regulation, no downside, here in this Kansas speech where he makes reference to himself 23 times:
Quote Quote by Obama, Kansas
...For the first time in history, the reforms that we passed put in place a consumer watchdog who is charged with protecting everyday Americans from being taken advantage of by mortgage lenders or payday lenders or debt collectors...

... Does anybody here think that the problem that led to our financial crisis was too much oversight of mortgage lenders or debt collectors?

Audience: No!
Me: the government was in the business of bundling mortgages, collecting debts, (it still is); as well as making loose money, anointing the rating agencies, setting flimsy home loan terms (it still does).
ginru
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Jan20-12, 11:40 PM
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I keep noticing a continuous consequence from the damsel-in-distress, reactionary impulses of voters. It seemed like after Clinton, the country was polarized and desperate for something that would bring us back together. Along came Bush and his "Compassionate Conservatism" and enough people bought into it.

After 8 years of Bush, the country was even more divided with a weaker economy and tarnished image worldwide. Along comes Obama with a message of "Hope and Change" and again the people buy into it as it feels like just the perfect remedy.

Now Romney is saying that he has the right stuff to fix our current economic problems as he knows how to create jobs as a successful businessman. Once again, it seems like enough people are buying into it. So each time we desperately look for a Superman solution to our immediate problems and end up disappointed once the perfect packaging falls away.

Personally, my Spidey-sense keeps tingling whenever Romney talks. Something tells me he's just as shifty as the previous Supermen. He actually reminds me of a high school classmate of mine who ran for every club President position because it would look good on his college applications. He hardly ever showed up for the grunt work but of course, he was always present for yearbook photo ops. Both he and Romney give off that fake, CCR's 'Fortunate Son' vibe to me.

Granted, that's just an instinctive dislike I have for plastic political types, but I don't think anything will change under him except the direction of public finger pointing. Sure, Flip Flopney will talk a good game of being frank and earnest with the people. As a governor, he played Frank and as a president he'll be Ernest. Regardless, I feel the country will continue to be plagued by divisive politics, inconclusive wars and an overall aimless direction. Just more of the same, really.
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Jan21-12, 11:59 AM
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http://www.deseretnews.com/m/article/680195957

Perhaps the most legally thorny was Bain Capital's 1989 purchase of Damon Corp., a Needham medical testing firm that later pleaded guilty to defrauding the federal government of $25 million and paid a record $119 million fine.

Romney sat on Damon's board. During Romney's tenure, Damon executives submitted bills to the government for millions of unnecessary blood tests. Romney and other board members were never implicated.

More than a decade later,when Romney was in pursuit of the Massachusetts governorship, his Democratic opponent Shannon O'Brien accused him of lax oversight at Damon and failing to report the fraud.

Romney replied that he had helped uncover the illegal activity at Damon, asking the board's lawyers to investigate. As a result, he said, the board took "corrective action" before selling the company in 1993 to Corning Inc.

But court records suggest that the Damon executives' scheme continued throughout Bain's ownership, and prosecutors credited Corning, not Romney, with cleaning up the situation. Bain, meanwhile, tripled its investment.

Romney personally reaped $473,000.
I hope the gop is dumb enough to elect Romney because he will lose. Romney is another white collar criminal like the ones who tanked the economy in 2008 that know how to finagle the loopholes enough to not get arrested. Not to mention he has millions in offshore accounts most likely to hide from paying taxes. Romney stinks of corruption
Rob D
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Jan21-12, 12:27 PM
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So what are we left with? If we run enough "Politicons" together at Fermilab we can spot the ubiquitous "Riggs Corrupson" that will bounce around excitedly until January 20th of '13 when it will degrade into something entirely different but quite ugly?

Will research help us find out where our hope went? Because that's the question now isn't it? We're America, together we can do almost anything. The computer, powered flight, Richard Feynman, Cheeseburgers, Sandra Bullock, useful nuclear fusion, hell, we even had a meshugga politician invent the internet. Where did the America of the '50s go? In this time why do we shrink into cynicism and mistrust when we should be pulling together? Don't give me that "it's those politicians in Washington" stuff. They're just 535 blowhards in a nation of almost 300 million.

These I think are more pressing than the price of gas or even unemployment. I'm 64. I did my job with energy and enthusiasm, not to mention some creativity, for 40 years. Now I stick my head up for a look around and, gaak. Where did my America go?

Rob
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Jan21-12, 12:31 PM
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http://www.deseretnews.com/m/article/680195957
Not to mention he has millions in offshore accounts most likely to hide from paying taxes.
When (if) you use offshore accounts to hide money and avoid taxes, you don't publically admit to owning such accounts. There are many other reasons to maintain offshore bank accounts.

I doubt if Romney is corrupt but he certainly has the wrong image for the GOP this year; he can be made into a caricature of the mythical 1%.

Skippy
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Jan21-12, 01:26 PM
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When (if) you use offshore accounts to hide money and avoid taxes, you don't publically admit to owning such accounts. There are many other reasons to maintain offshore bank accounts.

I doubt if Romney is corrupt but he certainly has the wrong image for the GOP this year; he can be made into a caricature of the mythical 1%.

Skippy
Yes, I think you're right - and it wouldn't even be difficult to paint him as such, since I'm pretty sure he *is* in the 1% (not sure why you call it 'mythical').

This blows my little mind: one poll shows Gingrich leads Romney, 40 to 26%, in the days leading up to the SC primary.


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