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Feb16-12, 07:22 PM   #494
 
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Mitt Romney's candidacy


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What makes you think I'm a Republican?
Because I caught you thinking like a Republican!
 
Feb16-12, 07:37 PM   #495
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Because I caught you thinking like a Republican!
If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck...

It doesn't matter what it calls itself, does it?

I'm not a Republican, I just believe in everything hardcore Republicans believe in.
 
Feb16-12, 07:40 PM   #496
 
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As Romney continues to battle for the GOP nomination - the reluctance of the Right to embrace him should be a good sign and helping him with Moderates and Independents - shouldn't it?
Depends on why they're reluctant to embrace him.

Not only are people influenced by a candidate's stand on the issues; they're influenced by their impression of his character/personality.

It's entirely possible that the impression of many conservatives is identical to that of liberals when it comes to Romney's personality/character.

While I find him acceptable politically (or at least his record is acceptable), I just have a hard time imagining myself voting for him. It's not his views I don't like - it's just him. It doesn't mean that there's no way I would vote for him - just that I sure would think about that long and hard before doing so.

Actually, I felt the same way about Bush 43 in 2000. I eventually swallowed hard and voted for Bush in spite of how I felt about him as a person (spoiled rich kid that wasted half his life partying). In retrospect, I can hardly believe I actually did that.
 
Feb16-12, 07:49 PM   #497
 
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If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck...

It doesn't matter what it calls itself, does it?

I'm not a Republican, I just believe in everything hardcore Republicans believe in.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/new...ate-rep,27371/
 
Feb16-12, 07:56 PM   #498
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Feb16-12, 08:00 PM   #499
 
Actually, I'm an unrepresented angry independent conservative - business owner - struggling to stay afloat in a time of great political and economic uncertainty.

IMO - in 2008 I thought Senator Obama was too inexperienced and too Lib - he has proven himself to be the inept executive/full time campaigner and disaster I feared. On the other hand, I think mitt Romney has the correct mix of experience to deal with the problems President Obama has either created or kicked down the road.
 
Feb16-12, 08:13 PM   #500
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On the other hand, I think mitt Romney has the correct mix of experience to deal with the problems President Obama has either created or kicked down the road.
And I feel the opposite.
 
Feb16-12, 09:26 PM   #501
 
Feelings should play a minor role.

he has proven himself to be the inept executive/full time campaigner and disaster I feared.
Your experience does not prove those factors, it only proves your position in life. There is a difference between something being "proven" based on evidence of x contributing to y's failure and how such a policy didn't work, and proven, as in your case of the unfortunate mishaps we all have in life. Blaming Obama and hoping Mitt Romney will change your life around, one whom you believe to be the same as Obama (I think it was you who said it), is really too much of a contradiction of belief and your proof of Obama's ineptitude. Grass is greener on the other side but both sides have the same color and same green tint of grass?

P.S. If you didn't say it, my apologies.

In the event that you did not say it. Your belief in Romney being able to help your business is a bit much of a stretch isn't it? Aside from Romney's many pitfalls in potential policies and his unwavering stance that the small business owner doesn't matter much, he really doesn't say much to help dying businesses, correct?

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I don't think he'd be able to help your business, it'd be much of the same. You can only help your business.
 
Feb16-12, 09:35 PM   #502
 
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And I feel the opposite.
Which part?
 
Feb16-12, 09:41 PM   #503
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Which part?
That Romney is capable of doing any better than Obama. Obama did more positive things in his first few months than some Presidents did their entire term, IMO.
 
Feb16-12, 10:13 PM   #504
 
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That Romney is capable of doing any better than Obama. Obama did more positive things in his first few months than some Presidents did their entire term, IMO.
I think Romney's experience as a deal maker in the business world, as Gov as well as with the Olympics will help him to work with a disfunctional Congress.
 
Feb16-12, 10:23 PM   #505
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I think Romney's experience as a deal maker in the business world, as Gov as well as with the Olympics will help him to work with a disfunctional Congress.
The olympics, what's special about the olympics? I think the olympics are terrible, they pit nation against nation, it should be abolished. If you like sports and want competions among the best, fine, but don't make it about which country is superior. And I certainly don't think the population should be dealt with in the unfeeling, uncaring way that businesses deal with employees, as a number on a spreadsheet instead of as human beings.
 
Feb16-12, 10:38 PM   #506
 
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The olympics, what's special about the olympics? I think the olympics are terrible, they pit nation against nation, it should be abolished. If you like sports and want competions among the best, fine, but don't make it about which country is superior. And I certainly don't think the population should be dealt with in the unfeeling, uncaring way that businesses deal with employees, as a number on a spreadsheet instead of as human beings.
The Olympics drew upon his professional experience and gave him a good working experience with Washington.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/19/us...pagewanted=all
"In rescuing the 2002 Salt Lake City Winter Games, which had been tarnished by scandal, Mr. Romney learned the ways of Washington and the hurly-burly of politics, mastered the news media, built a staff of loyalists and made fund-raising connections in Utah that have proven vital to his presidential campaign.

“The Olympics gave him a public persona he didn’t have before,” said Robert H. Garff, a businessman who served as the chairman of the Salt Lake Organizing Committee. “He grew into the person he is today.”"
 
Feb16-12, 10:43 PM   #507
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The Olympics drew upon his professional experience and gave him a good working experience with Washington.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/19/us...pagewanted=all
"In rescuing the 2002 Salt Lake City Winter Games, which had been tarnished by scandal, Mr. Romney learned the ways of Washington and the hurly-burly of politics, mastered the news media, built a staff of loyalists and made fund-raising connections in Utah that have proven vital to his presidential campaign.

“The Olympics gave him a public persona he didn’t have before,” said Robert H. Garff, a businessman who served as the chairman of the Salt Lake Organizing Committee. “He grew into the person he is today.”"
Riiight. He used politics and money to earn recognition, lovely.

But the hardheaded and hard-nosed pragmatism that allowed Mr. Romney to juggle an unruly coalition of politicians, sponsors and volunteers as chief executive of the Games now haunts him on the campaign trail among some conservative Republicans. They complain that he has no core beliefs and shifts positions on a range of issues to placate various constituencies.

As a Republican presidential hopeful, for example, Mr. Romney portrays himself as a budget hawk who would take a hard line on federal spending and Congressional earmarks, the pet projects that lawmakers insert in spending bills. Back then, though, he lobbied heavily for earmarks, helping extract millions of federal dollars for projects in some cases only loosely tied to the Olympics and drawing the ire of Senator John McCain of Arizona, a longtime critic of earmarks and now a rival for the Republican presidential nomination.

While even Mr. Romney’s critics concede that the Games — which had faced serious potential

financial difficulties before his arrival — were a huge success, some say he made those early problems seem worse than they were to embellish his accomplishments. Others grouse about his showman’s instinct for the spotlight: the countless photo-ops, the television spots. Even the little Olympic pins sold to collectors carried his image, cloaked in the American flag.
 
Feb16-12, 10:48 PM   #508
 
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Riiight. He used politics and money to earn recognition, lovely.
Careful - lest we compare President Obama's failed efforts (after a very expensive trip) to bring Olympics to Chicago.
 
Feb16-12, 10:57 PM   #509
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Careful - lest we compare President Obama's failed efforts (after a very expensive trip) to bring Olympics to Chicago.
Obama's actions in the first few months after he became President are what I look at. I wasn't for Obama, gokul talked me into him. But he did make the right decisions right after becoming president. So I have no regrets.
 
Feb17-12, 06:02 AM   #510
 
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It seems you're thinking as a Republican by assuming Independents only have two choices - Romney or Santorum. But Independents are, well, independent.



http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...mney-chart.php
I think you misunderstand what that graph is telling you and why. During primary season, candidates must pander to the core/base of their party to get votes. This will inevitably hurt them WRT to their potential opponent in November. But after the primary ends, they'll campaign to everyone.

What matters today isn't how Romney fares against Obama, it is how Romney fares against Obama compared to how Santorum fares against Obama. Or better yet, how Romney fares against Santorum WRT independents.
 
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