What are the orders of (x,v) and (x,u²) in A x B?

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In summary, the conversation discusses two groups, A and B, which are generated by specific elements and have given relations. The question asks how to find the orders of certain elements in the direct product of A and B. It is mentioned that in A, the element of order dividing 3 is conjugate to its inverse, while in B the element of order dividing 4 is conjugate to its inverse. Further research is suggested to determine the specific values of the elements x, u, v, and y within the groups.
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If A = {(x,y) : x³ = y² = e, yx = xˉ¹y} and B = {(u,v) : u^4 = v² = e, vu = uˉ¹v}, how do I go about finding the orders of, say, (x,v) and (x,u²) in A x B?

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Your writing seems to be wrong: as you put it, both A and B are sets of ordered pairs, but then again you write elements of A x B as pairs of elements, NOT of pairs...I think you meant to write that A, B are groups, A generated by x, y and B by u,v with the given relations.
Then in A x B, both elements (x,v), (x, u^2) clearly have order dividing 6. The only thing left to do is to actually research deeper what exactly x,u,v,y are within those groups...(for example, in A the element of order dividing 3 is conjugate to its inverse, whereas in B the element of order dividing 4 is conjugate to its inverse...what does this mean?)
 

1. What is the meaning of orders in A x B?

In the context of mathematics, orders refer to the number of elements in a set or the size of a group. In the case of A x B, it represents the number of elements in the Cartesian product of two sets A and B.

2. How are orders calculated in A x B?

The orders of A x B can be calculated by multiplying the orders of the two individual sets, A and B. So if A has m elements and B has n elements, the orders of A x B would be m x n.

3. What do (x,v) and (x,u²) mean in the context of A x B?

(x,v) and (x,u²) refer to ordered pairs in the Cartesian product A x B. These ordered pairs are formed by taking one element from set A and one element from set B, and ordering them in a specific way. In (x,v), x is the first element and v is the second element, while in (x,u²), x is the first element and u² is the second element.

4. How do the orders of (x,v) and (x,u²) compare in A x B?

The orders of (x,v) and (x,u²) are the same in A x B, as they are both ordered pairs and therefore have the same number of elements. In general, the orders of all ordered pairs in A x B will be the same.

5. Can the orders of (x,v) and (x,u²) be different in A x B?

No, the orders of (x,v) and (x,u²) will always be the same in A x B. This is because ordered pairs are formed by taking one element from set A and one element from set B, and the number of elements in each set does not change. Therefore, the orders of (x,v) and (x,u²) will always be m x n, where m is the number of elements in set A and n is the number of elements in set B.

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