is there a logical way of understanding how randomness could agree with causalityby jadrian Tags: agree, causality, logical, randomness 

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Feb2112, 11:00 AM

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not to be impolite, but i truly view randomness in reality as something you can trick your kids into accepting along with santa, the tooth fairy etc.
when compared to causality the idea of true randomness existing in reality seems incredibly weak to me. is there any logical way to reconcile the two? 



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Feb2112, 01:29 PM

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is there a logical way of understanding how randomness could agree with causality 



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Feb2112, 05:27 PM

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you only see randomness as wrong because you're use to the macroscopic experience of determinism
If you took a completely different standpoint, say an alien from a bizare world where there is something other than randomness and determinism, then determinism and randomness are both absurd. 



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Feb2112, 05:29 PM

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from wiki on bohmian mechanics
The argument is that, because adding particles does not have an effect on the wavefunction's evolution, such particles must not have effects at all and are, thus, unobservable, since they cannot have an effect on observers. i like this interpretation, because it fits with my personal view that there is something bumping the curtain but we can never see it because we cant exit the universe, unless you like spagetti 



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the probability of wavefunctions approach 0.[/QUOTE]
so wave functions are not 100 percent probabliistic? im ok with 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999 percent likelyhood that the wavefunction is random. that could provide accurate qm predictions. maybe its asymptotic. 100 percent has serious implications. 



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Feb2112, 07:14 PM

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Just like a shadow: it does not exist as an independent entity, but it is just absence of light. 



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