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Determining relativistic velocity from work done from rest with a given rest mass 
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Feb2512, 11:04 AM

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I am wondering how to determine relativistic velocity from a given amount of work done on a body starting from rest with a given rest mass.
This is not homework. Thanks in advance, Jake 


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Feb2512, 11:32 AM

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It depends where the work is being done. If the accelerating body is a rocket then the relativistic rocket equations apply. See for instance
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic...SR/rocket.html If the work is being done from outside the accelerated body ( such as in a particle accelerator ) the relativistic expression is the same as the Newtonian one but for a factor of γ or γ^{2} 


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Feb2512, 11:58 AM

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Here's the equation it provides for velocity: v = at / sqrt[1 + (at/c)2] How do we get 'a' and 't' from a given amount of work done on a given mass from rest? Maybe I shouldn't have said "relativistic velocity." I just want to know how to get the velocity it has compared to when it was at rest, due to the given amount of work done to the given mass. Thanks, Jake 


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Feb2512, 12:44 PM

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Determining relativistic velocity from work done from rest with a given rest mass
Use conservation of energy. The work done is equal to the increase in kinetic energy.



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Feb2512, 01:30 PM

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You could set up an integral of the force dp/dt over dx, where p is the relativistic momentum. This would be unnecessary work, however, because when you evaluate it you just end up with the relativistic kinetic energy formula (as per Mentz's suggestion).



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Feb2512, 03:25 PM

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The total energy is given by
[tex]\frac{mc^2}{\sqrt{1v^2/c^2}}[/tex] It is also given by [tex]mc^2+w[/tex] Set those two expressions equal and solve for v which gives: [tex]v=\pm\frac{c \sqrt{w \left(2 c^2 m+w\right)}}{c^2 m+w}[/tex] 


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Feb2512, 08:32 PM

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In terms of rapidities,
DaleSpam's expressions would be [itex]mc^2 \cosh\theta[/itex] and [itex] mc^2+w [/itex], where velocity [itex]v=\tanh\theta[/itex]. So, [itex]v=\tanh\left(\cosh^{1}\left(1+\displaystyle\frac{w}{mc^2}\right)\right)[/itex]. 


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Feb2612, 07:57 PM

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It's getting over my head, but thanks all.
Jake 


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Feb2712, 07:27 PM

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[tex]v=\pm c \sqrt{1 \left(\frac{mc^2}{ mc^2+w}\right)^2}[/tex] it is slightly easier to see that the work required to achieve v=c is infinite. 


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