# Computer Password Protected by the 4th Amendment or the 5th or Neither?

by Greg Bernhardt
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 Admin P: 9,058 Can the government compel you to provide your computer password if they think there is illicit material stored in an encrypted part of the hard drive? *If there was ever a case when it seemed like the Constitution was no … Continue reading → Read More...
 PF Gold P: 7,363 Not just "the government". You can be compelled to offer up your PC for a search if you are involved in a civil suit.
 Mentor P: 26,413 Sure if they've got a warrant they can demand access to anything the warrant specifies.
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Computer Password Protected by the 4th Amendment or the 5th or Neither?

 Quote by Evo Sure if they've got a warrant they can demand access to anything the warrant specifies.
I was suing a crook for back-pay, and he counter-sued for $650,000, and the court let him have a warrant to search my PC because I had used it at home to deal with customers. It was a fishing expedition that yielded nothing of use to him, but it was still a big pain in the butt.  P: 464 I imagine that one could theoretically be subpoenaed to provide such information, however, I think it could also constitute self incrimination, in which case, they could not compel a person to provide passwords.  P: 1,803 Let's not forget that the expressed purpose of the Fifth Amendment was to prevent the torturing of prisoners. Making it a crime to fail to give up a password and sentencing a defendant to prison is essentially the same thing. - There was a recent decision by the seventh circuit court of appeals that enables the police to search cell phones without a warrant. - Even forcing a suspect to take a drug test, alcohol test or DNA test is problematic. How are any of these not a form of testifying against oneself? Calling driving a privilege and agreeing to providing a sample as part of that privilege doesn't resolve the problem. Suppose a law were passed that made owning a house a privilege and before buying a house, prospective owners had to sign a statement permitting the police to conduct searches without a warrant?  P: 591 The 5th (maybe) http://mi.findacase.com/research/wfr...995.EMI.htm/qx  P: 5 All passwords are protected by a bad memory. You can't be forced to give information you can't remember, can you? P: 1,803  Quote by turbo I was suing a crook for back-pay, and he counter-sued for$650,000, and the court let him have a warrant to search my PC because I had used it at home to deal with customers. It was a fishing expedition that yielded nothing of use to him, but it was still a big pain in the butt.
Had you refused to provide your password, assuming you had one, what would the court have done? Hold you in contempt? Dismiss the case? Decided in favor of the defendant? Did you consider invoking the 4th or 5th amendments?
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 Quote by skeptic2 Let's not forget that the expressed purpose of the Fifth Amendment was to prevent the torturing of prisoners.
Yes. And, also, without the Fifth Amendment, a suspect can be forced to incriminate one's self for a crime not committed.

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