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| Apr10-12, 09:20 AM | #1 |
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Injective Compositition
Given two functions:
f:A --> B g:B --> C How to show that if the (g ° f) is injection, then f is injection? I tried this: We need to show that g(f(a)) = g(f(b)) ==> a = b holds true for all a, b in A. But there's nothing said about function g. |
| Apr10-12, 10:26 AM | #2 |
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I've tried using function mapping diagrams and actually it showed this proposition is wrong.
(g ° f) injective ==> g and f are injective. |
| Apr10-12, 11:06 AM | #3 |
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You need to show that f is an injection. That is: f(a)=f(b) ==> a=b. That is what you need to show. |
| Apr10-12, 11:48 AM | #4 |
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You are absolutely right, my bad expressing the problem...
And yeah my post should have been moved under elementary school math ;) But it's not a homework either, it's a question my professor did not have time to clarify well! |
| Apr10-12, 11:51 AM | #5 |
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So, got any ideas?? You have f(a)=f(b) and you need to prove a=b. Convert it to g(f(a))=g(f(b)) in some way. |
| Apr10-12, 12:22 PM | #6 |
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But I think in order to show that f(a) = f(b) ==> a = b, g has to be given as injection as well, though I could prove that both functions g and f are injections using function mapping diagram.
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| Apr10-12, 12:24 PM | #7 |
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And if gf is an injection, then it does NOT imply that g is an injection. |
| Apr10-12, 01:05 PM | #8 |
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Ok I could prove it by contradiction. Assuming f(x) is not injection, then
Then there's the case where f(a) = f(b) and a != b for some a, b Then g(f(a)) = g(f(b)) where a != b, which contradicts the given argument. |
| Apr10-12, 01:19 PM | #9 |
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That is ok. But there is no need for a contradiction argument.
If f(a)=f(b). Taking g of both sides, we get g(f(a))=g(f(b)). By hypothesis, this implies a=b. |
| Apr10-12, 02:19 PM | #10 |
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Got it! Any good reference that helps with doing proper proofs?
Thanks. |
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