A good book on geology and/or meteorology?

Pippi

I am interested in a easy-to-read book on global geology and/or climate. The book will be ideal if it has discussions on how geology and climate changes, with detailed graphs (or data), due to seismic activities, external impacts like the solar wind from the Sun, and human-induced higher-than-otherwise chemical concentrations. It will be nice if the book has also detailed discussion of another planet in the solar system. It does not have to have discussion of the physics equations or mathematical physics simulations that are typically used.

*Studiot*

That's a tall order in one book especially as the weather and climate spring from two unique aspects of the Earth viz its position relative to the sun and the fact that it is the only planet with both an atmosphere and liquid water so comparisons are a trifle spurious.

Try

Atmosphere and Ocean - Our Fluid Environments by Harvey

That book has most of what you asked for.

davenn

Hi Pippi

http://www.amazon.com/Physical-Geolo.../dp/0471056685

"skinner and porter physical geology" was my required textbook and reading for first year geology at university
it covers many of the subjects you ask about

cheers
Dave

Andre

Whilst I understand that you have to start somewhere, there is a 'serious' caveat lector. What you learn from textbooks is not only data and facts but also ideas frozen in time, that may long be debunked or should be debunked.

For instance you may read in textbooks on the initial dating of the Two Creek glacial readvance by Libby et al that it is exemplary for the onset of the Younger Dryas. Later improved research unambigiously showed that this event preceded the Younger Dryas by several centuries. How hard is it though, to put question marks by the real nature of the Younger Dryas, if some of it's most 'convincing' evidence is now pointing to a completely different conclusion. So, what if your mind is set in stone, after learning and learning obsolete ideas from the textbooks.

So I would recommend for each event in textbooks, to also google comtemporary studies and see about the difference.

Edit: An example from the cargo cult lecture of Richard Feynman:

One example: Millikan measured the charge on an electron by an experiment with falling oil drops, and got an answer which we now know not to be quite right. It's a little bit off because he had the incorrect value for the viscosity of air. It's interesting to look at the history of measurements of the charge of an electron, after Millikan. If you plot them as a function of time, you find that one is a little bit bigger than Millikan's, and the next one's a little bit bigger than that, and the next one's a little bit bigger than that, until finally they settle down to a number which is higher.

Why didn't they discover the new number was higher right away? It's a thing that scientists are ashamed of--this history--because it's apparent that people did things like this: When they got a number that was too high above Millikan's, they thought something must be wrong--and they would look for and find a reason why something might be wrong.

However I don't agree with his conclusion of this phenomenon....

When they got a number close to Millikan's value they didn't look so hard. And so they eliminated the numbers that were too far off, and did other things like that. We've learned those tricks nowadays, and now we don't have that kind of a disease.

In paleo-whatever it's customary to discard carbon dates that do not agree with the consensus-; contamination, simple, without even having a notion how much contamination is required to change those dates by so much. But I guess that requires another thread.

Pippi

Is it reasonable to guess that because nowadays, theories almost always precede the experiment and often cover contradictory outcomes, so we don't have such problems?

Andre

I'm afraid not. Looks like there is a big deviation from old fashion ethics, especially when subjects lead to flaming wars.

Pippi

Nice discussion. Who in geophysics and metereology are epitome of quality research and ethics?

Andre

I guess there are others who can judge about geophysics. About meteorology, I'm afraid that there not a lot difference. However, I would especially recommend for the reason mentioned above to follow the restrictions in this forum and don't read about the banned subject in it, that usually is in chapter 18 or 23.

betzalel

Pippi,

I would recommend Atmospheric Science - An Introductory Survey by J. Wallace, Peter Hobbs, 2nd Edition it is a classic undergraduate text book that was updated in 2006.

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Studiot	That's a tall order in one book especially as the weather and climate spring from two unique aspects of the Earth viz its position relative to the sun and the fact that it is the only planet with both an atmosphere and liquid water so comparisons are a trifle spurious. Try Atmosphere and Ocean - Our Fluid Environments by Harvey That book has most of what you asked for.

davenn Recognitions: Gold Member Science Advisor	Hi Pippi http://www.amazon.com/Physical-Geolo.../dp/0471056685 "skinner and porter physical geology" was my required textbook and reading for first year geology at university it covers many of the subjects you ask about cheers Dave

Pippi	Is it reasonable to guess that because nowadays, theories almost always precede the experiment and often cover contradictory outcomes, so we don't have such problems?

Andre Blog Entries: 2 Recognitions: Gold Member	I'm afraid not. Looks like there is a big deviation from old fashion ethics, especially when subjects lead to flaming wars.

betzalel	Pippi, I would recommend Atmospheric Science - An Introductory Survey by J. Wallace, Peter Hobbs, 2nd Edition it is a classic undergraduate text book that was updated in 2006.