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| Jul2-12, 10:35 AM | #1 |
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your view on "race"
anthropologist have debated this for years....
is there such thing as "race" are people different races are mongolians, caucasians, africans different to an extend that they would be classified as a different "race" or is "race" just a social construct is there differences in the different "races" are some races advantaged at some things compared to others whats your opinion |
| Jul2-12, 11:47 AM | #2 |
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Do "numbers" exist?
it depends on how you define "numbers", and what criteria you place on "existence". first off: Anthropologists are an utterly irrelevant group to debate "race". It is a trivial fact that: There exist distinct lines of descendence of mankind, with many subclusters that have evolved, reproductively speaking, wholly independent of each other for a number of milennia. Those subclusters are readily identified by a number of diverging genetic criteria, and if you like to call them different "races", you can do so if you wish. Or choose not to, if you don't wish. As for relative "advantages": It is advantageous in southern climes to retain maximum melanin production in the body, rendering it "dark" skinned. So, yes, different clusters of mankind, as long as they have had enough separation time, will have developed divergent aptitudes in order to optimize their local functioning, whenever the distinct localities are so distinct that they require slightly different skills to function in.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As for blatherings about "social constructs", they are just that: Blatherings, and nothing-explaining pseudo-explanations performed with accompanying meaningless and noisome brouhaha. |
| Jul2-12, 12:29 PM | #3 |
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"Race" is not a biological distinction of humans and arguably is just a social construct. That's not to say that certain races aren't genetically distinct from others but in many cases different races have the same genetics and conversely the same race can contain many different genetic groups.
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| Jul2-12, 12:38 PM | #4 |
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your view on "race"
Race is often classified by appearance, which is not the whole genetic story. To restate what Ryan said, people across different races can sometimes be more genetically similar than people within a race because within each race, there is plenty of genetic diversity.
So I think yes, race is a social construct the way most people use it: (where you're from and what you look like). |
| Jul11-12, 04:32 PM | #5 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewontin%27s_Fallacy A.W.F. Edwards made an excellent rebuttal concerning this. |
| Jul11-12, 05:06 PM | #6 |
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I think you're confusing our weak versions of Lewontin's argument with his strong version. As the first sentence points out, it really depends on how you're asking the question. Ryan and I also seem to also both concede to there being a genetic distinction (him explicitly, me by way of qualifier).
But we're really talking about how the word "race" is used by the public. I can assure you that they are not counting allele frequencies (which I would liken more to phenotype than race; the concept of race implied genotype to me the way I most often hear it used.. realize that it's not a word we use when studying birds, worms, or squirrels... it's not part of a standard classification scheme that I know of.) |
| Jul11-12, 05:07 PM | #7 |
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And the rest of the wiki argues against. (referring to aroc's post)
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| Jul11-12, 05:56 PM | #8 |
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| Jul11-12, 06:08 PM | #9 |
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For example, crime among black Americans in the US probably has a lot more to do with them having been shoved tightly into neglected sections of community and thus, receiving a terrible quality of education and social support then it has to do with any genetic aspect of personality/behavior. I guess it's not a question of whether race is genetic or race is social so much as which aspect dominates particular interactions. Obviously, there's a huge problem with the social aspect of race dominating interactions (which is why we develop policie to counter it). With disease, on the other hand, the genetic component can become very important (but there's still envrionmnetally-driven disease, of course! Disease is a tricky one.) |
| Jul12-12, 05:43 AM | #10 |
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Morgan Freeman once quoted when asked about race to "not bring it up" or "talk about it"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMGfhXCpN2k The best solution to this stupid problem. |
| Jul13-12, 10:32 PM | #11 |
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catdogking, I cannot define what is "race". One thinks of "white, black, red, brown, etc." as separate races, but I don't know where you can draw a clear line and say "she is of X race, and he is from Y race" when there are so many mixutures.
Just as an observation: After living and working in the Far East for many years I can easily tell you, just by looking, if a person is Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, or Thai. Now, am I defining separate "races"? I am not sure. But their facial characteristics are all that's necessary to know that "ethnic" difference. |
| Jul14-12, 01:07 AM | #12 |
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My view on race? Winner takes all.
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| Jul14-12, 02:58 AM | #13 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Neg...ational_Action The genetic aspect of race is meaningless as new poor African family's in this country mainly have completely different social and personal expectations while experiencing poverty and crime. |
| Jul14-12, 12:16 PM | #14 |
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We really don't want to get too deeply into social racism as it always ends up in flame wars (it attracts people from the internet wanting to push racism). So far the thread has avoided this, I'm impressed.
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| Jul14-12, 04:41 PM | #15 |
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There are many factors surrounding one's race. For example, there are historical, geographic, which include ethnic factors, and economic factors, as well as current environmental factors, which may or may not transcend race, and there are complex interrelationships with respect to these factors.
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| Jul14-12, 06:08 PM | #16 |
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As others have pointed out, there are slight, but apparent, genetic differences between certain races.
For example, different diseases are present in different areas. This means that some races have been exposed to diseases that others haven't been exposed to, which often leads to that particular race having a gene that protects them from that specific disease, which other races would not have. No race is intrinsically better than another. Each has had their own history, each has developed in different areas, but they all are human. |
| Jul15-12, 12:15 AM | #17 |
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you ever ben to the natural history museam in dc, something is wrong here.
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