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| Sep8-12, 06:48 PM | #1 |
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Dark matter solution: not receiving all the light?
Hypothetically, if we weren't receiving all the light from a galaxy, is it possible that this would reconcile the gravitational shortfall we perceive?
Would it not also explain the gravitational lenses that we attribute to dark matter (since we are not receiving all the light to represent the appropriate amount of matter that causes the lens)? Let me know if I'm not being clear enough I will try to elaborate. I look forward to your input. |
| Sep8-12, 07:33 PM | #2 |
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| Sep8-12, 07:35 PM | #3 |
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But isn't light the only 'tool' that astronomers have to study objects outside our solar system? If we weren't getting all the light then our calculations would be off no?
EDIT: If we weren't getting all the light from the galaxy, then our calculations of how much mass is present would be less. If this is less, then so would our calculations of the gravity required to hold to galaxy together. |
| Sep8-12, 07:52 PM | #4 |
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Dark matter solution: not receiving all the light?You really should just study up on this stuff instead of apparently just making up a hypothesis without first understanding the fundamental facts. |
| Sep8-12, 08:29 PM | #5 |
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And I thought that astronomers determined the mass by the luminosity of the galaxy. Perhaps this is where I err? |
| Sep8-12, 08:47 PM | #6 |
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| Sep8-12, 09:04 PM | #7 |
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For discussion of brightness and orbital velocity methods of estimating galactic mass, see https://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/Pe...htness_Method/ a
You will note in the case of the Triangulum galaxy, as discussed, the mass deficit is far beyond what could be explained by missing photons. |
| Sep8-12, 10:08 PM | #8 |
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From https://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/Pe...htness_Method:
Thank you in advance for your careful consideration and explanation. |
| Sep8-12, 10:08 PM | #9 |
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Double posted by accident
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| Sep9-12, 01:18 AM | #10 |
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The gravitational shortfall is detected by observing the motion of stars in galaxies then doing some calculations. What matters is the motion, not how much light they give off. With dark matter what matters is how much the light bends, not how much light there is. |
| Sep9-12, 01:21 AM | #11 |
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They looked at the motion of the bright matter and it didn't make sense, so the dark matter with the needed distribution was hypothesized. They started to look for dark matter and found it IMO. |
| Sep9-12, 01:34 AM | #12 |
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The distribution of dark matter is predominantly in a halo surrounding the galaxy, and can extend a considerable distance from the center of mass of the galaxy. This is logical if you consider dark matter is very weakly interactive with ... everything - including itself. Dark matter spends little time in the center of the galaxy where it travels at its maximum velocity. In the halo it is traveling at its lowest velocity, hence spends the majority of its time in this region. This extended region of relatively large amounts of gravitating matter is what causes the unusual pattern of orbital velocity of baryonic matter.
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| Sep10-12, 01:19 AM | #13 |
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| Sep28-12, 05:00 PM | #14 |
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Are you people/"contributors" really this dense? He's asking if we are not actually seeing the entire non-dark matter galaxy i.e. is dark matter just regular matter that is obstructed from view.
I really want to know why you guys love to be so damn condescending. |
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