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Sep22-12, 09:57 PM   #18
 

The colour of a neutron star?


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Neutron stars are pretty much electrically neutral. The magnetic fields arise from a magnetohydrodynamic dynamo process.

From wikipedia's article on Magnetars: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetar
Most neutron stars are not magnetars and never have such a dynamo. Even in the magnetars the dynamo exists for only a very short time in the very early life of the star.

Neutron stars inherit part of the magnetic field of the parent star. They also generate an internal magnetic field by rotation of protons and electrons but very little is known about that.
Sep22-12, 10:01 PM   #19
 
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Neutron stars can be thought of as protons and electrons squished into a single entity...neutrons. Theelectron degeneracy pressure has been overcome.
Not entirely. In neutron star cores there are about 2% electrons and protons and possibly other exotic particles. This gradually blends into a crust of heavy metals and a sea and/or atmosphere of carbon. There is often a layer of hydrogen/helium from space that periodically explodes thermonuclearly.
Sep22-12, 10:04 PM   #20
 
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Wien's Law is the short answer. Star color is proportional to temperature. Based on this we would expect a neutron star to be in the blue-violet range with some adjustment due to gravitational redshift. Here is a NASA photo of a lone neutron star http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...ed=0CDIQ9QEwBg

Neutron stars are so small that they are very difficult to see. Usually what is visible is the hot gas in the neighborhood. I did read of one case of a neutron star that was directly visible. It was unusually close to Earth and had no gas around it. I think it would be quite faint.
Sep22-12, 10:13 PM   #21
 
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Jarfi: I don't understand what question you are asking, but I'd reply in a general way as did Vanadium....
stars are really, really, hot...so most of the 'color' you see reflects that heat.

You can see a photo of a neutron stars here and draw your own conclusions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_star

'Confinement' may have a variety of meanings....neutrons, for example, may be 'confined' in nuclei.

I suspect that the color of any particle compressed or confined to the densities of a neutron star would reflect primarily super hot temperatures....how that relates to the particles themselves is a different issue. For example, do fusion and fission reactions have significantly different colors?? How does that reflect the particles involved?

I think a neutron star is pretty much black body radiation with a peak. The frequency of the peak is always higher than visible light, I think, and usually much higher, so all we see is the tail of the distribution. In such cases the visible light is a sort of electric blue one may see from blue stars in the night sky. In short, the peak of the radiation may be much higher or lower in frequency, but only machines can tell the difference. To our eyes they look identical.

Ordinary stars with the peak of the radiation less than visible light look dark red. The cosmic microwave background left over from the Big Bang is so cold and has a peak so low that virtually no light is visible. It was not always that way, though. After the Big Bang the entire Universe was crammed with bluish visible light. Over time this faded away to intense yellow light that was absolutely everywhere, then red, then this light slowly disappeared entirely from sight. It is still there, though.
Sep23-12, 08:06 AM   #22
 
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Hmm. I thought we were talking about color due to reflection...

Yes I was also talking about that, I was trying to find out if we had only the neutron matter, say we had a ball of ONLY neutrons, and just measured the way those pressurised neutrons effect light. I am suspecting this white blue light is coming from electrons from the outermost layer of the star, and the neutrons within have nothing to do with it.
Sep23-12, 08:11 AM   #23
 
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Air is transparent to light but is full of charged particles. I don't understand it, but apparently the charges in the molecules cancel so that light passes through. It depends on the particular molecule and the wavelength of the light.

My guess is that neutrons might absorb very high frequency EM with very short wave lengths but certainly not visible light.

The free protons and electrons buzzing around in the neutron star core scatter the light.

Neutron star core physics is very exotic and intuition is not of much use there, but this is the best I can do.

A quark plasma IS possible and has been created at CERN. Such a thing might form in the center of a neutron star but the consensus these days is no, because the star is too cold and the pressure not quite high enough. It is quite possible that there are stable exotic particles in the center, but we do not know how much pressure there is there.


Yes.. but there is one thing you forget.

In neutron stars the particles are literally next to each other, there is no space in between for light to flow by.

The reason air and glass is transparent is because of the large with between atoms, so that the lightwave can go trough it like a seawave trough rocks.

If the light strikes a wall of neutrons, it must be interfered or collapse somewhere on one neutron, Most of you are talking about the star being white, but I don't think that's because of neutrons, I think that's simply the electrons in the outermost layer or even gas.
Sep23-12, 08:12 AM   #24
 
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I think a neutron star is pretty much black body radiation with a peak. The frequency of the peak is always higher than visible light, I think, and usually much higher, so all we see is the tail of the distribution. In such cases the visible light is a sort of electric blue one may see from blue stars in the night sky. In short, the peak of the radiation may be much higher or lower in frequency, but only machines can tell the difference. To our eyes they look identical.

Ordinary stars with the peak of the radiation less than visible light look dark red. The cosmic microwave background left over from the Big Bang is so cold and has a peak so low that virtually no light is visible. It was not always that way, though. After the Big Bang the entire Universe was crammed with bluish visible light. Over time this faded away to intense yellow light that was absolutely everywhere, then red, then this light slowly disappeared entirely from sight. It is still there, though.

Yes but does black body radiation abide to neutrons, or simply anything else than atoms?
Sep23-12, 09:03 AM   #25
 
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I thought we were talking about color due to reflection...
This and subsequent posts reflect my earlier comment about the exact nature of the original question not being clear.

black body radiation abide to neutrons, or simply anything else than atoms?
a black body is a black body....its TEMPERATURE that matters.
Sep23-12, 09:43 AM   #26
 
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This and subsequent posts reflect my earlier comment about the exact nature of the original question not being clear.



a black body is a black body....its TEMPERATURE that matters.

Originally the question was about the nature of the main matter that is in neutron stars, that is pressurized neutrons. There was also one about how the star itself looks, but that one was answered with it being very hot and therefore glowing, I myself suspected that being from hot gas and plasma around the neutrons, but not the neutrons making the light.

The question on how pure neutrons, a pure wall of neutrons would affect light is yet unclear. I'm guessing studying that would be extremely hard, since it's not possible to replicate in a lab.
Sep23-12, 11:32 AM   #27
 
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Yes.. but there is one thing you forget.

In neutron stars the particles are literally next to each other, there is no space in between for light to flow by.

The reason air and glass is transparent is because of the large with between atoms, so that the lightwave can go trough it like a seawave trough rocks.

If the light strikes a wall of neutrons, it must be interfered or collapse somewhere on one neutron, Most of you are talking about the star being white, but I don't think that's because of neutrons, I think that's simply the electrons in the outermost layer or even gas.
This is all wrong. Light doesn't flow like water between rocks. If a neutron has vanishing charge, light will not react with it. It will go right through it. The spacing of glass atoms has nothing to do with light going through. If it did, light would go through stones and steel just as easily.

We all agree the radiated color of an object mostly depends on its temperature and emissivity spectrum.

The real question is, what does a cold black hole look like?
Sep23-12, 11:37 AM   #28
 
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This is all wrong. Light doesn't flow like water between rocks. If a neutron has vanishing charge, light will not react with it. It will go right through it. The spacing of glass atoms has nothing to do with light going through. If it did, light would go through stones and steel just as easily.

We all agree the radiated color of an object mostly depends on its temperature and emissivity spectrum.

The real question is, what does a cold black hole look like?
Yes but what about the charged quarks inside the neutrons? as with metals, the whole charge is always zero, but the regional charges are not, what about quarks creating regional electric charges in a single neutron?
Sep23-12, 12:10 PM   #29
 
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Yes but what about the charged quarks inside the neutrons? as with metals, the whole charge is always zero, but the regional charges are not, what about quarks creating regional electric charges in a single neutron?
Not relevant to optical processes. The energy is too low to excite significant resonances. The molecular and atomic bonds have the right energy for this.
Sep23-12, 02:16 PM   #30
 
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Not relevant to optical processes. The energy is too low to excite significant resonances. The molecular and atomic bonds have the right energy for this.
So the ending conclusion is that the neutron "rock" is transparent? that's pretty damn awesome, and than the plasma and maybe hydrogen gas flowing massively hot around the star, blasting white light away.... sounds cool to me.
Sep23-12, 07:30 PM   #31
 
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So the ending conclusion is that the neutron "rock" is transparent? that's pretty damn awesome, and than the plasma and maybe hydrogen gas flowing massively hot around the star, blasting white light away.... sounds cool to me.
Remember that a neutron star is not composed of ONLY neutrons. The outer layers are mostly protons and electrons. I would bet that a neutron star is not transparent at any wavelength.
Oct16-12, 11:40 PM   #32
 
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Are we considering how the star's constituent neutronium would appear close-up or the star as a whole to a faraway observer?

If we talk about the appearance of the star as a whole to an observer in a reference frame further away, then we have to factor in the (significant) gravitational redshift the sheer density of the body creates. One also needs to factor in whether said neutron star has a companion or other source of acreteable material, because acreating material would be accelerated to relativistic speeds, thereby emitting enormous amounts of EM energy. In short, there are more factors beyond simple surface temperature or transparency/lack thereof of the material the star is made of!
Oct20-12, 09:00 AM   #33
 
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Are we considering how the star's constituent neutronium would appear close-up or the star as a whole to a faraway observer?

If we talk about the appearance of the star as a whole to an observer in a reference frame further away, then we have to factor in the (significant) gravitational redshift the sheer density of the body creates. One also needs to factor in whether said neutron star has a companion or other source of acreteable material, because acreating material would be accelerated to relativistic speeds, thereby emitting enormous amounts of EM energy. In short, there are more factors beyond simple surface temperature or transparency/lack thereof of the material the star is made of!
As I said when I posted this thread, there were two questions involved.

1: the stated question above, the wavelength of light, and combination of different light sources from the neutron star and all factors taken in as a whole for an observer at considerable distance.
2. The interaction of electromagnetic waves with neutrons, picture the neutron star, but no electron clouds.. no plasma and no gas around, just 100% neutrons. The question involved is how will 100% neutrons in 100% density affect light. Will it reflect it all, absorb it all, or not affect it at all due to neutrual charge.

There were multiple factors, including the neutrual charge of a neutron, area charge caused by quarks, the almost nonexistant gaps between the neutrons. and more.
Oct20-12, 05:22 PM   #34
 
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As I said when I posted this thread, there were two questions involved.

1: the stated question above, the wavelength of light, and combination of different light sources from the neutron star and all factors taken in as a whole for an observer at considerable distance.
2. The interaction of electromagnetic waves with neutrons, picture the neutron star, but no electron clouds.. no plasma and no gas around, just 100% neutrons. The question involved is how will 100% neutrons in 100% density affect light. Will it reflect it all, absorb it all, or not affect it at all due to neutrual charge.

There were multiple factors, including the neutrual charge of a neutron, area charge caused by quarks, the almost nonexistant gaps between the neutrons. and more.
I was addressing that to those quibbling over the things I mentioned. Guess I should have specified that! :P

Anyway, the structure of a neutron star isn't going to be 100% neutrons. As far as we know right now, there's going to be an outer 'crust' of regular atomic nuclei in a sea of electrons, an inner 'crust' of the above mixed with superfluid neutrons, and an inner core of superfluid neutrons, superconducting protons, and free electrons. All that's gonna make any model of neutron star appearance much more difficult to create. (Reference for specific layer compostion: http://heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ob...structure.html)
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