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Amount of energy required to change the spin of a photon |
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| Oct25-12, 06:44 PM | #1 |
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Amount of energy required to change the spin of a photon
Not sure if the question makes sense, nevertheless it can help clarify some concepts, I guess.
What is the amount of energy required to change the spin (intrinsic angular momentum) of a photon? |
| Oct25-12, 11:42 PM | #2 |
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Zero. You can simply pass the photon through a half wave plate. Afterwards the photon still has the same energy; you don't need to do any work. However, there is a transfer of angular momentum between the wave plate and the photon.
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| Oct26-12, 04:59 AM | #3 |
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| Oct26-12, 08:11 AM | #4 |
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Amount of energy required to change the spin of a photon
well if you are talking about making a spin 1 into spin 1/2 ,then it is not possible.
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| Oct26-12, 09:25 AM | #5 |
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| Oct26-12, 10:25 AM | #6 |
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There are only two things you can do to a photon:
a) You can emit it. b) You can absorb it. You cannot change its spin. The comments above apply to a light ray, in the classical sense, but not to an individual photon. You cannot pass a photon through a half wave plate, or focus it with a lens, or bounce it off a mirror. These are collective interactions with the atoms of a solid object. A photon is simply absorbed by the first thing it encounters. |
| Oct26-12, 11:22 AM | #7 |
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| Oct26-12, 11:55 AM | #8 |
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Interesting. Please draw me the Feynman diagram of a photon interacting with a quarter wave plate.
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| Oct26-12, 12:16 PM | #9 |
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<accidental double post, see below>
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| Oct26-12, 12:19 PM | #10 |
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Surely this is just a disagreement over the word "photon." I'm sure everyone agrees on the physics if not the terminology. If by photon we mean "a single wavy line in a Feynman diagram" then we can only emit it or absorb it and the spin of a single photon can't be changed. If by photon we mean something like "a state that, when it interacts with a photon detector, causes one count" [what's a better way of stating this?] so that we include collective excitations within transparent materials, then we can speak of sending a photon through a wave plate or focusing it with a mirror.
In any case, to answer the original question, everyone should agree that we can go from a state with a positive helicity photon to a state with a negative helicity photon at no energy cost. |
| Oct27-12, 08:35 AM | #11 |
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| Oct27-12, 12:54 PM | #12 |
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| Oct28-12, 08:31 AM | #13 |
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Well I was really thinking in terms of some quantum mechanical situation because spin is nevertheless a quantum phenomenon,however it is possible to prove that light does have a spin 1 character but that really goes with circular polarization and not plane polarized .So I was thinking about some quantum mechanical way of doing it ,if it is there.
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| Oct28-12, 03:46 PM | #14 |
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| Oct28-12, 03:49 PM | #15 |
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In classical physics, we are used to the idea that any kind of change must involve energy (transfer/use). So the above, like many other quantum mechanical phenomena, is difficult to comprehend in the Newtonian-Einsteinian mindset. _____________________________________ The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer and the middle is disappearing. The current capitalism needs some tweaks. |
| Oct29-12, 07:49 AM | #16 |
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If instead you want a particle-physics like approach calling the "basis modes" of the em field photons, it is obviously pointless trying to change its spin. However, this is not the kind of photon you get in the lab or can realize and it is also not what people typically have in mind (unless one is discussing elementary particle physics topics of course) when talking about photons. As the whole discussion would be pointless if one assumes such a meaning of the term "individual photon", it seems ok to me to discuss the quantum optics defintion as in this case you definitely can change the spin of a single photon and the question carries some meaning. |
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