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Any experiment to falsify quantum mechanics?

by cooleggyh
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cooleggyh
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Dec16-12, 09:21 PM
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It seems almost everyone agrees Q.M. is right nowadays. I wonder whether there are still people doing experiments/ observations that aim to falsify quantum mechanics.

How can one design such an experiment?

Thanks!
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Dec17-12, 06:52 AM
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if you want to talk about it then you should be talking in historical view.you can see something here(I am no specialist in quantum information system)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox
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Dec17-12, 07:12 AM
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Mostly people are looking at various Bell Inequalities to see if QM really holds water. So far, no problems have been found. The only serious known limitations of QM are to do with Plank Scale and disagreements with General Relativity. Neither can be probed experimentally with existing technology and techniques.

tom.stoer
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Dec17-12, 03:41 PM
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Any experiment to falsify quantum mechanics?

There are many experiments designed to falsify QM in principle: electron interference experiments (Möllenstedt et al.), all Bell- and Aspect-like experiments, the 2012 Nobel-prize experiments regarding decoherence, and many more.

But instead of falsifying QM they confirm QM.

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The only serious known limitations of QM are to do with Plank Scale and disagreements with General Relativity. Neither can be probed experimentally with existing technology and techniques.
That's slightly misleading. Disagreement with General Relativity is disagreement with General Relativity, but not necessarily a limitation of quantum theory; it could mean that General Relativity has to be replaced by some theory of quantum gravity, but that quantum theory (quantization rules, etc.) itself is not affected (in the same sense as quantum electrodynamics does by no means affect the basic principles of quantum theory but classical electrodynamics); this would be the case for approaches like string theory, loop quantum gravity, asymptotic safety, ...
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Dec17-12, 04:22 PM
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Yes, but not yet experimentally possible:
The Ghirardi–Rimini–Weber (GRW) theory of spontaneous wave function collapse is known to provide a quantum theory without observers, in fact two different ones by using either the matter density ontology (GRWm) or the flash ontology (GRWf). Both theories are known to make predictions different from those of quantum mechanics, but the difference is so small that no decisive experiment can as yet be performed.
The Quantum Formalism and the GRW Formalism
http://arxiv.org/pdf/0710.0885v5.pdf
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Dec17-12, 10:44 PM
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Quote Quote by tom.stoer View Post
That's slightly misleading. Disagreement with General Relativity is disagreement with General Relativity, but not necessarily a limitation of quantum theory; it could mean that General Relativity has to be replaced by some theory of quantum gravity, but that quantum theory (quantization rules, etc.) itself is not affected (in the same sense as quantum electrodynamics does by no means affect the basic principles of quantum theory but classical electrodynamics); this would be the case for approaches like string theory, loop quantum gravity, asymptotic safety, ...
That's a hell of a long sentence.

But entirely fair, yes. I shouldn't say that it's certainly a limitation of QM. Just a potential one. A place where it would be nice to check it experimentally. Alas, no such experiments are possible at this time, so best we can say is that at least one of these two theories will need to be fundamentally modified.
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Quote Quote by K^2 View Post
I shouldn't say that it's certainly a limitation of QM. Just a potential one. A place where it would be nice to check it experimentally. Alas, no such experiments are possible at this time, so best we can say is that at least one of these two theories will need to be fundamentally modified.
I fully agree ;-)
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Dec18-12, 10:54 AM
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Quote Quote by cooleggyh View Post
I wonder whether there are still people doing experiments/ observations that aim to falsify quantum mechanics.
Maybe this:
Testing Born's Rule in Quantum Mechanics with a Triple Slit Experiment

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How can one design such an experiment?
You have to have statement of the theory that something is not possible under particular conditions. Then you create these particular conditions and try to observe something that shouldn't be observable.

If you take that into account than Bell tests are not very convenient as QM tests as suggested in this thread. That's because they aim at observing something that shouldn't be observable if LHV (local hidden variable) type theories are possible i.e. they aim at falsifying LHV not QM.
mbd
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Dec22-12, 09:09 PM
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Here is an experiment I've proposed that could "disprove" some interpretations of QM:

In a typical EPR/CHSH experiment, in front of each detector place synchronized rapidly rotating opaque disks with a "wedge" slit such that the path from the emitter to the detectors is obscured for a significant portion of photon flight.

Although the coincident detection rate should go down in proportion to the size of the wedge slit, the CHSH result should not diminish except if the wedge slit is close to the wavelength of the light. If, however, the CHSH result does decrease, certain interpretations of QT come into question.

Why? I posted yesterday a paper in which I show a deterministic Einstein-local model of quantum spin interactions capable of achieving in CHSH experiments correlations consistent with QT with only speed-of-light interactions. The proposed experiment would confirm or rule out the type of interactions on which the deterministic model depends:

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BxB...XR2R3ExTlEyNm8


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