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Hobbit the Movie

by Greg Bernhardt
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OmCheeto
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Jan1-13, 04:42 PM
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I'm glad I read the book 40 years ago, have not yet seen the movie, nor read any of the posts since Greg posted the intro-vid from October.

Skimmed them... "Sucks!", "Blows!", "Et Cetera!, Et Cetera!, Et Cetera!"

ps. Thank you Janus, for being my next door, nota"Good Golly, Miss Molly"tard neighbor.
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Jan1-13, 04:47 PM
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Bilbo had to be gicven SOME scenes showing his resourcefulness, much earlier than in the books.
Agreed. Otherwise this first movie is extremely frustrating and unsatisfying. I think he had a good mixture.
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Jan1-13, 05:06 PM
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Agreed. Otherwise this first movie is extremely frustrating and unsatisfying. I think he had a good mixture.
Books? I only ever read "The Hobbit". I tried reading the others. Never got past page 5. Tolkein was a one trick pony for me. Thank god for Peter Jackson.
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Clearly, PJ could NOT retain this image of Bilbo in the first part; Bilbo had to be gicven SOME scenes showing his resourcefulness, much earlier than in the books.
Why does the movie need it if the book doesn't? And why does the need for SOME result in the provision of TOO MUCH? It removes one of the main themes of the book from the movie unless Thorin intends to be fickle in his respect for someone who has saved his life.
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Jan1-13, 08:34 PM
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[...] but the entire plot, which is like a huge part of the movie, where Azgoth is hunting down the dwarves and they have all these battles is completely made up. Why was that necessary?
Jackson's obviously setting up a momentous fight in the 3rd film during the Battle of Five Armies where Thorin will fight and finally defeat Azog (or more likely die trying). In the original Tolkien, Azog was killed by Nain, (Dain Ironfoot's father). His son, Bolg, led the orcs in the Bo5A, but was killed there by Beorn, not one of the dwarves.

Jackson seems to be making too much of a hero out of Thorin. In the original book, he came across rather self-important, selfishly wealth-lusting and stubborn, although he did contribute to the Bo5A to some extent. One of the contrasts between Thorin and Bilbo was that, in the end, Bilbo declined a potentially vast share of the treasure and only took a small amount home.

Anyway, all this chasing around by orcs-on-wargs in BROAD DAYLIGHT is yet another betrayal of Tolkien's mythos.

Why wasn't the actual plot good enough, without adding more "action" to it?
Because then it wouldn't have been a Peter Jackson movie. :-)

Hmmm, can anyone even recall a PJ movie that succeeded by subtle mood and character development? I only seem to remember "BIG", then "BIGGER", then "EVEN BIGGER..." :-)
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Jan2-13, 06:34 AM
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Why does the movie need it if the book doesn't? And why does the need for SOME result in the provision of TOO MUCH? It removes one of the main themes of the book from the movie unless Thorin intends to be fickle in his respect for someone who has saved his life.
Because a book can be amusingly told with details of Bilbo's inner world from his perspective, that the reader can at times agree with, at others laugh at.

The Hobbit, in contrast to LoTr, has an individual's inner-life as its primary focus (i.e, Bilbo's), rather than the actions and interactions between characters.
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Too much cartoons, not enough Hobbit.
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Jan24-13, 02:57 AM
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For me its good film but Lord Of The Ring was better :)
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Feb27-13, 10:32 AM
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I'm not a big LOTR fan. I was extremely meh about 1st LOTR film. Other films definitely got better. I was asked to attend Hobbit in Hi-frame 3D by a huge LOTR fan. I enjoyed it, but I think mostly for the same reason that I actually enjoy looking over someone's shoulder while they play Halo or other video games. It was like seeing a breathtaking demonstration of an amazing new video game technology. I liked it about the same the 2nd time (also in Hi-frame 3D). BTW my favorite films are 2001, Alien, SW+ESB, Repo Man, Bedazzled (1967) if that lends any perspective.
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I saw it a few days ago. It was a nice display of computer graphics. But the story was mostly rubbish. I'm tired of movies where the protagonist and his group are basically just running for their lives the entire movie. That entire group was pretty useless. Each time Gandalf left them alone, they almost got themselves killed. Why did he even bring them along?

There were also too many scenes where they simply couldn't have survived. They're walking through the mountains when the mountains suddenly decide to stand up and beat each other to death for no apparent reason. It would have been impossible to survive that. The fall they took in the cave wasn't survivable either.

There were too many scenes were we were supposed to go "oooooohh it's that character". I know that this works really well on 13-year-olds, but I'm not 13.

As others have said, it was too long. I might not have minded if there had been other things going on instead of just chase scenes and fight scenes.
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There were also too many scenes where they simply couldn't have survived. They're walking through the mountains when the mountains suddenly decide to stand up and beat each other to death for no apparent reason. It would have been impossible to survive that. The fall they took in the cave wasn't survivable either.
That was the only scene I couldn't accept. For one it felt oddly placed and yeah it was just too much.
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There were also too many scenes where they simply couldn't have survived. They're walking through the mountains when the mountains suddenly decide to stand up and beat each other to death for no apparent reason. It would have been impossible to survive that. The fall they took in the cave wasn't survivable either.
Yes I kept thinking that. This worked together with the graphics to cement the sensation of a video game taking place.
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Mar25-13, 07:43 PM
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I give this movie the biggest credit in no totally fudging up the franchise as often times ends up happening in sequels and prequels and just leaves my poor soul broken hearted (I'm talking to you Lucas.....). I thought the first LTORs were good. I thought this one was a bit boring. The only scene I liked was the troll scene. The rest was all just running away and stuff like others have mentioned and boring ups and downs in the plot. Nothing really new.
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Mar25-13, 08:37 PM
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I must say I was quite disappointed with the Hobbit. I am a huge fan of Lotr; books and movies. The best thing about the Lotr movies was that it kept very much to the Tolkien spirit. However, the Hobbit was way to cartoony and over the top, something Tolkien never was. That is what made Lotr special, it was different from all the other fantasy stories; it's use of magic was subtle and the characters had depth. But Peter Jackson went way to over the top. I do love Martin Freeman as Bilbo (my favourite Tolkien character) and of course Sir Ian McKellen is always good and the Gollum scene was amazing but the acting can't make up for poor story telling.
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Mar27-13, 01:36 PM
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And the candle lighting....poor shadowing, no flickering ect ect, I can handle fantasy story telling. But a candle casts shadows and flicker from the slightest breeze. That took the CGI to "over the top" imo.


fun movie though, but I don't think it holds up to much scrutiny.
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Mar27-13, 03:24 PM
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And then there's the candle that smolders for hours after the dwarves left.

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Mar28-13, 11:55 AM
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fun movie though, but I don't think it holds up to much scrutiny.
I should add that "holding up to scrutiny" is something typically expected for lore, perhaps the story does better.
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Mar28-13, 01:39 PM
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There was some questions regarding the release of The Hobbit movie on DVD in our Parliament. The questioner couldn't even say 'Hobbit' correctly. *sigh*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=LpDRO0OrCGQ


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