High-heeled shoes and evolution theory.


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Feb15-13, 02:09 PM
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Hehe. That paper's incendiary. I'm going to be checking out people's finger lengths from now on.
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Quote Quote by D H View Post
Social scientists study all kinds of weird stuff. High heels? Open toed shoes? Falsies? They're all fair game in the weird world of the social sciences.
For some reason, I never think about "social sciences". Thanks DH!
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Quote Quote by Ibix View Post
History of high heels according to the BBC.
Given title of this thread i'm surprised nobdy pounced on these from Ibix's link:

Biology Dr Helen Fischer, a biological anthropologist at Rutgers University, says that heels force women into a "natural courting pose" found amongst mammals, with an arched back and protruding buttocks
That sounds taboo to me.

But taboos are great producers of revenue.
Association Elizabeth Semmelhack believes that high heels began to be seen as erotic footwear when they came back into fashion in the late 19th Century - the nude models on French postcards were often wearing them
I'm not that old. My memory spans roughly Bettie Page to Dita Von Teese.


I would observe we Americans have in recent decades perfected the art(?) of exaggeration.
Here's a sweet picture of ( i think) Lady Gaga in high heels:

courtesy these folks: http://popcrush.com/lady-gaga-crazie...cture-perfect/

You know, they just don't make nostalgia like they used to.
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I counter that exaggeration with my simple style Jimmy. I call it "Pants? Not at home."
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Not being male, I don't understand the attraction. But hey, whatever decreases μ for you.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOfMO2R7u44
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Not being male, I don't understand the attraction.
Being male, I don't understand the attraction.

That video is hideous.

http://omg.yahoo.com/photos/what-wer...013-slideshow/
The high healed shoes in the first image are just plain absurd.
Need I say more.
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Quote Quote by Astronuc View Post
http://omg.yahoo.com/photos/what-wer...013-slideshow/
The high healed shoes in the first image are just plain absurd.
Need I say more.
Not only are the shoes ugly, they're not the right size and her feet are REALLY ugly.
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You know, I read somewhere, perhaps on this very forum, that Women don't dress up for Men, they dress up for other Women.
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.......

http://omg.yahoo.com/photos/what-wer...013-slideshow/
The high healed shoes in the first image are just plain absurd.
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Au contraire, they're quite practical.
She could kill a cockroach in a corner.
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Au contraire, they're quite practical.
She could kill a cockroach in a corner.
And afterward, she can pick her teeth.
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Quote Quote by lisab View Post
Not being male, I don't understand the attraction. But hey, whatever decreases μ for you.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOfMO2R7u44
... Is it made for a horror/zombie movie?

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And afterward, she can pick her teeth.
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He's a lumberjack, and he's OK; he wears "high heels, suspenders, and a bra"

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Quote Quote by Astronuc View Post
He's a lumberjack, and he's OK; he wears "high heels, suspenders, and a bra"
Oh god I remember when I first saw this Monty Python masterpiece I couldn't stop laughing until my stomach got knotted up and it started hurting. We need a Monty Python subforum!
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Quote Quote by lisab View Post
Not being male, I don't understand the attraction. But hey, whatever decreases μ for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOfMO2R7u44
Hence proving there is no idea that somebody, somewhere cannot extend beyond the bounds of rationality, practicality or stupidity.

Quote Quote by Evo View Post
LOL, you expect a peer reviewed scientific journal to have research on high heels?
Actually, I did. Apart from, as did you, noting that there is bound to have been the odd social "scientist" writing papers on such things, I wondered if somebody in the fashion industry had thought of seeing if science could provide an improved ROI. There's a lot of money involved and trimming a few euros off the budget by targeting design appeal parameters could be worth it.

Scientists don't do research on fashion, AFAIK. Peer reviewed sicentific journals are needed if you are referring to a scientific study, or something that should be.
Just to add to the other sources, I give you ....
Fashion Theory - "A fine addition to academic institutions with cultural studies programs; essential for those with special collections in fashion and costume.": http://www.bergpublishers.com/bergjo...4/default.aspx

http://www.bergpublishers.com/BergJo...0/Default.aspx

Catwalk: The Journal of Fashion, Beauty, and Style, part of the Global Interdisciplinary Research Studies series, is an externally peer reviewed inter- and trans-disciplinary journal, published twice a year (with an optional 'special edition' some years). Catwalk publishes articles focused on the historical, social, cultural, psychological, political, business, media, technology, performance, representational, and artistic dimensions of fashion, beauty, and style. Our starting point is that fashion, beauty, and style lie at the very heart of persons, their sense of identity and individual expressiveness, and that all three influence the communities and world in which they live. Core themes explored by the journal include: the dressed and undressed body; adulated, marginal, and deviant bodies; beauty standards; fashion and style trends; and performance and self-fashioning through dress and body modification. Other topics Catwalk examines include the fashion-beauty-style industrial consumer complex; the social construction of glamour and icons; and the influence of race, ethnicity, nation, class, age, sexuality on discourses about, representations of, and the identity construction of fashion-beauty-style. We are interested in the roles of fashion, beauty, and style in the formation of identities, subcultures, communities, cities, and nations; and their influence in art, pop culture, celebrity culture, film, multi-media internet games, and the blogosphere. :http://www.interdisciplinarypress.ne...mart&Itemid=28

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Au contraire, they're quite practical.
She could kill a cockroach in a corner.
I believe such a style has been popular throughout the ages for winkle-picking as well

Quote Quote by Drakkith View Post
You know, I read somewhere, perhaps on this very forum, that Women don't dress up for Men, they dress up for other Women.
I did a quick straw poll amongst the wives in my household. 100 % of them answered that women dress up for both.

I also did a quick survey amongst the wives and 12-year old daughters in my household. Both of them agreed that "subservient" is not a word that they would associate with the wearing of high heels. In fact, my daughter positively grinned with delight as she put on a pair of quite low heels and looked me in the eye (yes, she's quite tall for her age and she likes her ballet points for the same reason).
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And afterward, she can pick her teeth.
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King Louis had invented high heels for himeself because he was so short.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XIV_of_France

he also looked Fabbbbbuuloooussss

and evolutionary wise, women do the peacocking not the males, which is different than majority of animals.
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Quote Quote by hxtasy View Post
and evolutionary wise, women do the peacocking not the males, which is different than majority of animals.
Sexual dimorphism in the animal world is not comparable to human cultural rituals and fashion. For obvious reasons all human behaviours are far more complicated and we should be careful when drawing straight comparisons to animals.
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Quote Quote by Ryan_m_b View Post
Sexual dimorphism in the animal world is not comparable to human cultural rituals and fashion. For obvious reasons all human behaviours are far more complicated and we should be careful when drawing straight comparisons to animals.
I tend to disagree. I do believe that humans are generally more distant from there instincts.
But those instincts are there! And they have far more influence than you may acknowledge.
In the end we aren't above those animals that you disparage so easily.
And those complications that you mention are more of illusions that hide what is really going on.


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