World vote: Democrat vs Republican U. S. President

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential outcomes of a hypothetical world plebiscite on U.S. presidential candidates from the Democratic and Republican parties. Participants explore the implications of global perspectives on American politics, the definitions of democracy and republicanism, and the perceived alignment of international political views with U.S. party ideologies.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a world plebiscite would favor Democratic candidates, citing widespread support for Democratic principles.
  • Others argue that the world may not have sufficient understanding of U.S. party policies to make an informed decision.
  • Concerns are raised about whether the preferences of the global population would align with the best interests of the United States.
  • Some participants propose that the political spectrum worldwide is not as leftist as perceived, suggesting a centrist view is more accurate.
  • There are claims that the outcome could vary significantly based on the specific Republican candidate, particularly in relation to public sentiment towards George W. Bush.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how countries with differing social values would respond to a Democratic candidate advocating for freedoms not upheld in their own nations.
  • Another participant suggests a 50% split, indicating that many people may not distinguish between the two parties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions, with no clear consensus on the expected outcome of a world plebiscite. Views on the political leanings of the global population and the implications of U.S. party policies vary significantly.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference definitions of democracy and republicanism, highlighting potential misunderstandings and the complexity of political identities. The discussion includes assumptions about global awareness and the impact of U.S. policies on international perspectives.

How would the world vote in a 2-way U. S. presidential race?

  • 90-100% Republican

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 80-90% Republican

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 70-80% Republican

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 60-70% Republican

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 50-60% Republican

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • 50-60% Democratic

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • 60-70% Democratic

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • 70-80% Democratic

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • 80-90% Democratic

    Votes: 5 38.5%
  • 90-100% Democratic

    Votes: 1 7.7%

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What ratio, from voting between U. S. Democratic and Republican presidential candidates, would a world plebiscite yield?
 
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Hmmmm...since most human beings support the principles that Democrats promote, that should be an easy question to answer, shouldn't it?
 
interesting you should mention this zero...isn't america more of a republic then a democracy? definitions of each (according to dictionary.com):

republic

A political order whose head of state is not a monarch and in modern times is usually a president.
A nation that has such a political order.

A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them.
A nation that has such a political order.


democracy:

Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
A political or social unit that has such a government.
The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
Majority rule.
The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.

i also found this adjective in my 1972 webster's dictionary:

Democratic-Republican:

of our relating to a major American political party of the early 19th century favoring a strict interpretation of the constitution
to restrict the powers of the federal government and emphasizing states's rights

this sounds like a good plan for the majority of americans...
 
Originally posted by Loren Booda
What ratio, from voting between U. S. Democratic and Republican presidential candidates, would a world plebiscite yield?

How is the rest of the world supposed to know what these parties policies are? How could they? Half the world seems to think all the US politicians are evil anyway and most of the rest don't give a damn!
 
Originally posted by Loren Booda
What ratio, from voting between U. S. Democratic and Republican presidential candidates, would a world plebiscite yield?

The ratio that the world would vote really has little bearing on which candidate is the best canditate for the United States. The world would not have our best interest in mind, in fact they might choose to pick a poor candidate in order to benefit theirselves and our loss.
So, with that in mind...what's your point?
 
kat,

I wanted to compare simply the political spectrum worldwide to that of an alienating United States. Might these results (with abstentions) show some need for a minimum of education and prosperity in an effective democratic election? Also, are not our decisions often a loss for the rest of our planet, and eventually our country?
 
I put 60-70% because I don't think the world is as solidly leftist as many do.
 
Originally posted by selfAdjoint
I put 60-70% because I don't think the world is as solidly leftist as many do.
The term 'leftist' is misleading. The Democratic Party is centrist, and the Republican party is heavily right-wing. Most people are centrist.
 
I'll say 50% each, since most people can't tell the difference.
 
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Originally posted by Loren Booda
kat,

I wanted to compare simply the political spectrum worldwide to that of an alienating United States. Might these results (with abstentions) show some need for a minimum of education and prosperity in an effective democratic election? Also, are not our decisions often a loss for the rest of our planet, and eventually our country?

Well..I don't know..I certainly could see a majority supporting a Democratic President today, but on the other hand were the President to have direct influence on the laws of their country..how strongly would states that condemn homosexuality and do not uphold women's rights,and/or religiously oppressive countries support a president who would support those freedoms?
 
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80-90% democratic. Less if Bush is not the Republican candidate.
 
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Get rid of Bush and the Republicans would definitely win.

Keep Bush and the Republicans won't get a vote (and this I say as not one person I know likes Bush!)
 

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