Proving Linear Algebra Concepts: A=A^-1, A^T=A^-1

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on proving linear algebra concepts related to determinants of matrices, specifically addressing the conditions under which the determinant of a matrix \( A \) equals \( 1 \) or \( -1 \) when \( A = A^{-1} \) and \( A^T = A^{-1} \). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and proofs.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if \( A = A^{-1} \), then \( \det(A) = 1 \) or \( -1 \), using properties of determinants.
  • Others argue that the proof can be established using the property \( \det(AB) = \det(A)\det(B) \) and \( \det(A^T) = \det(A) \).
  • A participant presents a step-by-step proof for both conditions, concluding that \( \det(A) = \pm 1 \) for both cases.
  • Another participant expresses doubt about the equality \( \det(A^{-1}) = 1/\det(A) \) and seeks clarification on how it relates to \( \det(A) \).
  • Some participants confirm the correctness of the proofs presented, noting that the conditions hold true for \( \det(A) = 1 \) or \( -1 \).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the conclusion that \( \det(A) \) can be \( 1 \) or \( -1 \) under the given conditions, but there are points of contention regarding the proofs and specific steps involved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about specific steps in the proofs, particularly regarding the manipulation of determinant properties and the implications of the conditions stated.

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Hello , it's me again.

It's about proving linear aalgebra concepts.

1. Show that if A = A^-1, then det (A) = 1 or -1.

2. Show that if A^T = A^-1, then det (A) = 1 or -1.
 
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[tex]\begin{align}<br /> \det(AB)&=\det(A)\det(B) \\<br /> \det(A^t)&=\det(A)<br /> \end{align}[/tex]

These are all you need.
 
Hmmmmm

Hello again,

So the two are enough to prove the two theorems.

But, I got only +1, how about -1?
 
How did you do it?
 
Here's mine

For "If A = A^-1, then det A = +1 or -1."

1. det A = det (A^-1) \\ determinating both sides
2. det A = 1 / (det A) \\ proeprty: det (A^-1) = 1 / (det A)
3. (det A)(det A) = 1 \\ Multiplying det A both sides
4. (det A^2) = 1 \\ simplifying
5. det A = + or 1 (square root of 1 ) \\ extracting sq.root
6. Thus, det A = +1 or -1.

For "If A^t = A^-1, then det A = 1 or -1."

1. (A^T) A = (A^-1) A \\ If the inverse of A is said to be existing, then A itself must exist and the product of the two must be an identity matrix. I multiplied A both sides of equation.

2. (A^T) A = I \\ Identity matrix.
3. det [ (A^T) A ] = det I \\ determinating both sides.
4. det(A^T) det A = det I \\ Prop: det AB = det A det B
5. det A det A = det I \\ Prop: det (A^T) = det A.
6. det A^2 = 1 \\ determinant of identity matrix is 1.
\\ simplifying
7. det A = + or - square root of 1 \\ extracting a square root.
8. Thus det A = 1 or -1.
 
The first proof can be done using only property (1) that master_coda mentioned.

1 = det(I) = det(A * A^-1) = det(A)det(A^-1) = det(A)det(A) = det(A)^2

det(A)^2 = 1
det(A) = +/- 1
 
Thanks!

Hi!

Hmmm, that's correct. =) Thank you. =)

Well, was my proving to both of the two in the previous "replies" correct? (I want to know if I am doing fine in my proving).
 
Hey Muzza...

Hello Muzza,

I have read your answer. It seems correct but I doubt on one point.

The det A^-1 is equal to [1 / (det A)], how come it turns out to be det A?
 
Your proofs seem correct to me.

det(A) = 1/det(A) does hold, for det(A) = 1, or det(A) = -1 (1 = 1/1 and -1 = 1/(-1) are both true statements), which is well... what you showed that the possible values for det(A) could be :P
 

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