Interactive Interior and Exterior and nuclear energy

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of electric charges, particularly focusing on the concepts of attraction and repulsion between opposite and like charges. Participants explore the theoretical framework of "Interactive Interior" and "Interactive Exterior" as it relates to the dynamics of these charges, incorporating elements of nuclear energy and forces. The conversation includes mathematical reasoning and speculative models regarding the interactions of charges in various states.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a model where opposite charges attract and can pass through each other, subsequently moving to a distance of -D before returning to the initial distance D, defining this behavior as the "Interactive Interior."
  • It is proposed that like charges repel and could theoretically change their equilibrium distances if they pass through an "infinity point," leading to a new dynamic described as the "Interactive Exterior."
  • Another participant challenges the assertion that charges would return to their original positions, suggesting they would instead approach but never reach those positions, likening the behavior to a pendulum.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of changing charge signs at infinite distances, arguing that such a separation would eliminate any influence between the charges.
  • A visual representation is shared to illustrate the relationship between force and distance in a closed system, indicating that interactions remain consistent once established as attractive or repulsive.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of charges and the implications of their interactions, indicating that multiple competing models and interpretations exist without a consensus on the correctness of any particular claim.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the importance of considering isolated systems in their discussions, and there are references to specific mathematical processes that may not be universally accepted or understood among all contributors.

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If you let go two oposite charges from distance D they will start to attract and if they can pass thru each other when they meet they will distant them selfs until they reach -D distance. They they will start geting back until they get to the initial distance D. This domain from D to -D via the zero or equilibrium point, is the INTERACTIVE INTERIOR.
If the charges were same by sign they would repeal and get more and more distant. If they could pass the infinity point they would change the sign of their equilibrium distances and continue to reduce the absolute distance between them until they reach -D distance. Then they will go backwards until they get to the initial D distance. The domain from D to -D via the infinity point or where the charges repeal is INTERACTIVE EXTERIOR.
By the way the forces and the distances are related, based on the rules of lever, this way F1 * D1 = F2 * D2.
This equation breaks down to the system of equations:

dF1/D2=dF2/D1<0 and dD1/F2=dD2/F1>0

because of preserving the formality and because the force makes displacement in same direction of the actual force.

Now the point of the Nuclear energy or Nuclear force, since they are proportional, is to shift repealing charges from the I. Exterior into the I. Interior, making them this way atracting, or vice versa for the oposite charges.

How close?
 
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Dock, is that you?
 
Yes, Int. Will you ban me again?
I have a right to my own opinion and right to speak it up.
 
Originally posted by deda
Yes, Int. Will you ban me again?
I have a right to my own opinion and right to speak it up.
You of course have a right to your opinion, but you don't have a right to do anything outside the rules of this forum. As long as you follow the rules, you'll be ok.
 
I have never banned you Doc, don't have that power.

You are very recognizable by your application of questionable mathematical processes to obtain even more questionable physical results. What may have gotten you banned was your inability to say,
"Oh, I see", That is you do not seem have the ability to recognize your errors and learn from those who are attempting to point them out.

Good luck.
 
Ok, I roger that Sir. I'll try to be good member and contribute for good debates.
Can we now get back to the initial post?
 
You wrote "If you let go two oposite charges from distance D they will start to attract and if they can pass thru each other when they meet they will distant them selfs until they reach -D distance. They they will start geting back until they get to the initial distance D."

Well, this is potentially true up to your last statement. The charges will not end up in there original positions, rather just short of it. On the next cycle, even shorter.

In fact, your "Interactive Interior" eventually collapses to the very "equilibrium" you mentioned, much like a pendulum.

You then say "If the charges were same by sign they would repeal and get more and more distant. If they could pass the infinity point they would change the sign of their equilibrium distances and continue to reduce the absolute distance between them until they reach -D distance."

Well, the problem here is that if charge signs even could be changed by a separation of infinite distance, then the charges could no longer have any influence on each other, regardless of their "sign"
 
Originally posted by pallidin
You wrote "If you let go two oposite charges from distance D they will start to attract and if they can pass thru each other when they meet they will distant them selfs until they reach -D distance. They they will start geting back until they get to the initial distance D."

Well, this is potentially true up to your last statement. The charges will not end up in there original positions, rather just short of it. On the next cycle, even shorter.

In fact, your "Interactive Interior" eventually collapses to the very "equilibrium" you mentioned, much like a pendulum.

You then say "If the charges were same by sign they would repeal and get more and more distant. If they could pass the infinity point they would change the sign of their equilibrium distances and continue to reduce the absolute distance between them until they reach -D distance."

Well, the problem here is that if charge signs even could be changed by a separation of infinite distance, then the charges could no longer have any influence on each other, regardless of their "sign"
As first I'd like to say that I might have forgoten to mention that I observe some isolated (closed) system...
Second, here is a figure of how I imagine the relation between the force and the coresponding distance:
http://www.geocities.com/dr_physica/na.bmp
And as explanation: the current state of the closed system, given as an ordered pair of force and distance, is a point sliding on the green lines in a direction shown by their arrows. When this point comes to an intersection it switch the track and continues on the nighboring line in direction it shows. It's obvious that once one interaction was attractive it will remain attractive forever. Same for the repulsive interaction. The blue area is the interactive interior while the red area is the interactive exterior. When the system pass the infinite state one, either foece or distance, alter its sign.
 

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Originally posted by pallidin
You wrote "If you let go two oposite charges from distance D they will start to attract and if they can pass thru each other when they meet they will distant them selfs until they reach -D distance. They they will start geting back until they get to the initial distance D."

Well, this is potentially true up to your last statement. The charges will not end up in there original positions, rather just short of it. On the next cycle, even shorter.

In fact, your "Interactive Interior" eventually collapses to the very "equilibrium" you mentioned, much like a pendulum.

You then say "If the charges were same by sign they would repeal and get more and more distant. If they could pass the infinity point they would change the sign of their equilibrium distances and continue to reduce the absolute distance between them until they reach -D distance."

Well, the problem here is that if charge signs even could be changed by a separation of infinite distance, then the charges could no longer have any influence on each other, regardless of their "sign"
As first I'd like to say that I might have forgoten to mention that I observe some isolated (closed) system...
Second, here is a figure of how I imagine the relation between the force and the coresponding distance:
The figure is here
And as explanation: the current state of the closed system, given as an ordered pair of force and distance, is a point sliding on the green lines in a direction shown by their arrows. When this point comes to an intersection it switch the track and continues on the nighboring line in direction it shows. It's obvious that once one interaction was attractive it will remain attractive forever. Same for the repulsive interaction. The blue area is the interactive interior while the red area is the interactive exterior. When the system pass the infinite state one, either foece or distance, alter its sign.
 

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