Does the n=0 State in a Quantum Box Violate the Uncertainty Principle?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of allowing the n=0 state for a particle in a one-dimensional quantum box and its relation to the uncertainty principle. Participants are exploring the foundational concepts of quantum mechanics, particularly the behavior of wavefunctions and energy states.

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  • Participants are attempting to compute uncertainties for position and momentum based on the wavefunction. There is a question regarding the implications of the n=0 state on the existence of the wavefunction and its relation to the uncertainty principle. Some participants are clarifying the energy spectrum and its connection to the uncertainty principle.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising questions about the nature of the n=0 state and its implications for quantum mechanics. There is an acknowledgment of the need for a clearer understanding of how energy levels relate to the uncertainty principle, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants are grappling with the concept of the n=0 state and its implications, including the potential non-existence of the wavefunction and the associated uncertainties. The discussion is framed within the constraints of quantum mechanics and the uncertainty principle.

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How would you go about this question?

Show that by allowing the state n=0 for a particle in a 1D box will violoate the uncertainty principle, delta(x)delta(p)>=h(bar)/2

I have tried to substitute all sorts of different relationships but do seem to get anywhere. I have showed that E=0 for a ground state electron but can't seem to relate it to the uncertainty principle.
 
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You just have to compute the uncertainties for each variable, x and p_{x}, knowing the wavefunction.

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
You just have to compute the uncertainties for each variable, x and p_{x}, knowing the wavefunction.

Daniel.


If we allow n=0, the wavefunction will cease to exist hence the particle will cease to exist. Hence momentum and position of a particle does not exist or could you say 0. Hence any change in the n=0 state, the particle will continue to cease to exist. In this way the HU principle will not be satisfied. But my argument is pretty vague. Is there a quantifiable way to express this?
 
What's the energy spectrum for the particle...?

Daniel.
 
What do you mean by the energy spectrum?

Do you mean the energy levels?
At n=0, Energy=0.
At other levels, Energy=n^2(pie)^2(hbar)^2/(2mL^2)

But how does it relate to the UC?
 

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