How Can I Determine Current Planetary Velocities?

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The discussion revolves around determining the current velocities of planets in the solar system for a simulation project. Participants explore various methods to obtain this data, including using existing resources and mathematical approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to find the velocities of planets relative to Earth for a simulation, questioning whether plotting positions over time is necessary.
  • Another participant suggests learning about Kepler's laws as a potential method for understanding planetary motion.
  • A third participant recommends contacting the JPL Horizons system to request specific position and velocity data for solar system objects, providing a template for the email.
  • Some participants express enthusiasm about using Kepler's laws and the JPL Horizons system as resources for their project.

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Participants generally agree on the usefulness of the JPL Horizons system for obtaining planetary data, but there is no consensus on the necessity of plotting positions over time versus using established resources like Kepler's laws.

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The discussion does not resolve the best method for determining planetary velocities, leaving open the possibility of multiple approaches being valid.

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Students and enthusiasts interested in planetary motion, simulation programming, and data acquisition from astronomical databases may find this discussion relevant.

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I'm writing up a simple simulation of the solar system for my computer simulations in physics class, which you can see at myweb.dal.ca/cr376499 (java applet)

Now, I have the correct position data for the planets thanks to a website giving them relative to Earth for telescope users. What I need is the velocity of the planets now.

Where can I find this? Do I have to just plot the positions over time and figure it out using math?
 
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Write an e-mail to JPL Horizons system asking for the positions and velocities of any solar system object relative to any other solar system object at any given time. Use the template below. Make sure that your STOP TIME is 1 s after your START TIME.
Center = '@###'
Command = '###'

Center is the object you're referencing your positions and velocities against. Command is the object you want data for.

ID's: 199 = Mercury, 299 = Venus, 399 = Earth... 999 = Pluto, etc.
301 = 1st Moon of Earth, 401 = 1st Moon of Mars, 402 = 2nd moon of Mars, etc.
010 = Sun


So for example, the following e-mail asks for Mercury's (199) position and velocity relative to the Sun (010)

Address the e-mail to horizons@ssd.jpl.nasa.gov
Put the word job in the subject line.
Code:
!$$SOF
EMAIL_ADDR=''
START_TIME = '2006-Mar-13 17:30:58'
STOP_TIME = '2006-Mar-13 17:30:59'
TABLE_TYPE = 'Vector'
REF_PLANE = 'Ecliptic'
CENTER = '@010'
COMMAND='199'
!$$EOF

JPL's response e-mail, usually instant, gives you lots of data. Search for this:

Code:
*******************************************************************************
$$SOE
2453808.229837963 = A.D. 2006-Mar-13 17:30:58.0000 (CT)
  [b]-5.730179611929864E+07  1.963895677831354E+06  5.419068833578369E+06
  -1.179887453107446E+01 -4.658790336366766E+01 -2.723342317439528E+00[/b]
   1.921027750084662E+02  5.759096310840907E+07  9.894693725010404E+00
$$EOE
*******************************************************************************
Notice the 6 numbers I've highlighted. They are the x,y &z positions of Mercury with respect to the Sun, and the x,y,& z velocities of Mercury with respect to the Sun. The 8th of those 9 numbers is the actual Mercury/Sun distance, which you can also compute with d2=x2+y2+z2
 
tony873004 said:
Write an e-mail to JPL Horizons system asking for the positions and velocities of any solar system object relative to any other solar system object at any given time.

That is FANTASTIC. Thank you!
 

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