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Old Apr12-06, 04:55 PM                  #1
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Mode expansion for a closed string?

Hi. Suppose that I want to look at the BDH action for a bosonic string:

LaTeX Code: S_{BDH} = -\\frac{T}{2}\\int d^2\\sigma \\sqrt{\\gamma}\\gamma^{ij}\\partial_iX^a\\partial_jX^b

The string is in flat spacetime and LaTeX Code: \\gamma_{ij} is an independent world-sheet metric. I know that going to conformal gauge allows me to write the equation of motion for this string as

LaTeX Code: \\left(\\frac{\\partial}{\\partial\\tau} - \\frac{\\partial}{\\partial\\sigma}\\right)X^a(\\tau,\\si  gma) .

This is just the massless wave equation and needs to be supplemented with boundary conditions. However, the case for an open string with Neumann boundary conditions is straightforward. I can express the solution as a combination of left and right-moving solutions, apply the boundary conditions, and obtain a mode expansion for the solution.

What I'm having trouble with is the mode expansion for the closed string. I've had a browse through chapter 12 of Zweibach and, while he mentions the mode expansion for the closed string, he doesn't go through the derivation. Can anyone give me a couple of pointers as to how I can produce the mode expansion for the closed string?

Thanks.
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Old Apr14-06, 05:37 AM                  #2
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I suppose you ment:

LaTeX Code: \\left(\\frac{\\partial^2}{\\partial\\tau^2} - \\frac{\\partial^2}{\\partial\\sigma^2}\\right)X^a(\\tau  ,\\sigma) = 0

The closed string case is actually easier than the open one. The only boundary condition you have is the periodicity at LaTeX Code: \\sigma=0,2 \\pi . So the general solution to the wave equation is just a combination of a left moving periodic function (i.e. of LaTeX Code: \\tau+\\sigma ) and a right moving periodic function (i.e. of LaTeX Code: \\tau-\\sigma ). So contrary to the open string case left and right moving modes are independent of eachother.
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Old Apr20-06, 02:56 PM                  #3
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Thanks for the reply. I managed to figure it out after a little bit of thought and you're right, it is easier than the open string case.

I do have another quick question if anyone's willing to have a go. I've been reading Green, Schwarz and Witten and their take on canonical quantization of the bosonic string. Ordinarily, I'd define the Poisson brackets of two functions LaTeX Code: F and LaTeX Code: G in a discrete classical theory as

LaTeX Code: \\{F,G\\} = \\sum_{k}\\left(\\frac{\\partial F}{\\partial q^k}\\frac{\\partial G}{\\partial p_k} - \\frac{\\partial F}{\\partial p_k}\\frac{\\partial G}{\\partial q^k}\\right)

Now, at the moment I'm looking at the canonical quantization of the closed bosonic string. I take the BDH action (or Polyakov action, if you prefer) and put it in conformal gauge. I can calculate the canonical momentum density to be

LaTeX Code: \\pi^\\mu \\equiv \\frac{\\partial \\mathcal{L}}{\\partial(\\partial_\\tau X_\\mu)} = \\frac{1}{2\\pi\\alphasingle-quote}\\partial_\\tau X^\\mu

At this stage, Green et al define (it's equation 2.1.52 in the book) the equal time Poisson brackets of LaTeX Code: X^\\mu and LaTeX Code: \\pi^\\mu as

LaTeX Code: \\{\\partial_\\tau X^\\mu(\\sigma),X^\\nu(\\sigmasingle-quote)\\} = 2\\pi\\alphasingle-quote\\eta^{\\mu\\nu}\\delta(\\sigma-\\sigmasingle-quote)

The problem I have with this is that it's actually the opposite of the definition of Poisson brackets that I gave at the start. In particular, this definition of the Poisson brackets would seem to correspond to

LaTeX Code: \\{F,G\\} = \\sum_{k}\\left(\\frac{\\partial F}{\\partial p_k}\\frac{\\partial G}{\\partial q^k} - \\frac{\\partial F}{\\partial q^k}\\frac{\\partial G}{\\partial p_k} \\right)

I can calculate all of the Poisson brackets for the closed and open strings, including those for the oscillator modes. The thing is that I'm kind of concerned about the minus sign error that I'm getting with my definition of Poisson brackets compared with that used by GSW. Is there a particular reason why they've chosen to define the Poisson brackets in this way, or am I making a terribly simple mistake somewhere?

Again, thanks for your help.
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Old Apr21-06, 10:24 AM                  #4
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I think this minus sign is just their convention. But indeed there seems to be a small mistake in the book when they start quantizing the bosonic string.

They first define

LaTeX Code: \\left[ \\dot{X}^{\\mu}(\\sigma),X^{\\nu}(\\sigmasingle-quote)\\right]_{P.B.} = T^{-1} \\delta (\\sigma - \\sigmasingle-quote) \\eta^{\\mu\\nu} (2.1.52)

i.e.

LaTeX Code: \\left[ P^{\\mu}(\\sigma),X^{\\nu}(\\sigmasingle-quote)\\right]_{P.B.} = \\delta (\\sigma - \\sigmasingle-quote) \\eta^{\\mu\\nu}

Then they say they replace the poisson brackets by commutators via the substitution

LaTeX Code: \\left[\\ldots\\right]_{P.B.} \\rightarrow - i \\left[\\ldots\\right] (2.2.4)

concluding that

LaTeX Code: \\left[ P^{\\mu}(\\sigma),X^{\\nu}(\\sigmasingle-quote)\\right] = -i\\delta (\\sigma - \\sigmasingle-quote) \\eta^{\\mu\\nu} (2.2.5)

but this minus sign does not seem to be consistent.
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Old Apr21-06, 11:27 AM                  #5
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Thanks for that, I thought that it didn't make sense alright. I've seen several mistakes like this in both GSW and Clifford Johnson's book. They're really frustrating.
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Old Apr21-06, 01:30 PM                  #6
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If we write

LaTeX Code: \\left[\\ldots\\right]_{P.B.}=RHS ,

then

LaTeX Code: \\left[\\ldots\\right]_{P.B.} \\rightarrow - i \\left[\\ldots\\right]

means

LaTeX Code: RHS \\rightarrow - iRHS

Unless you interpret things this way, it looks like there are lots of sign errors.
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Old Apr21-06, 03:43 PM                  #7
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The way I view it is as follows. We have a Poisson bracket equal to something:

LaTeX Code: \\{\\ldots\\}_{\\textrm{P.B.}} = \\textrm{something}

Then following the prescription

LaTeX Code: \\{\\ldots\\}_{\\textrm{P.B.}} \\to -i[\\ldots]

we must have

LaTeX Code: -i[\\ldots]=\\{\\ldots\\}_{\\textrm{P.B.}}=\\textrm{something}

Therefore, I read this as saying

LaTeX Code: [\\ldots] = i(\\textrm{something})
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Old Apr21-06, 04:41 PM       Last edited by josh1; Apr21-06 at 04:43 PM..            #8
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Hi coalquay404,

I read it the same way you and I'm sure any sane person does. It's just that if you read it the alternative way I described, the signs are all consistent. So you have a choice: Read it the natural way and the signs are wrong; Read it the retarded way I described and the signs are right. Somebody should email witten and ask him.
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Old Apr21-06, 06:00 PM                  #9
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Originally Posted by josh1
Hi coalquay404,

I read it the same way you and I'm sure any sane person does. It's just that if you read it the alternative way I described, the signs are all consistent. So you have a choice: Read it the natural way and the signs are wrong; Read it the retarded way I described and the signs are right. Somebody should email witten and ask him.
Funnily enough, a couple of days ago Michael Green swore blind to me that there were *no* mistakes in the book at all, claiming that they were all ironed out after the second printing. This is obviously incorrect (check the first two paragraphs in chapter 2 for an absolute hummer of a contradiction).
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Old Apr22-06, 09:08 AM                  #10
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Originally Posted by coalquay404
...first two paragraphs in chapter 2...a contradiction
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Old Apr22-06, 10:21 AM                  #11
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Well, consider the following quote from the first paragraph in section 2.1:

Thus, let us consider the motion of a point particle of mass LaTeX Code: m in a background gravitational field, i.e., in a curved Riemannian geometry described by a metric tensor LaTeX Code: g_{\\mu\\nu}(x) . The metric is assumed to have LaTeX Code: D-1 positive eigenvalues and one negative eigenvalue corresponding to the Minkowski signature of LaTeX Code: D -dimensional space-time.

The point about this is that they claim that the background field is described by a Riemannian manifold, i.e., something which is locally homeomorphic to LaTeX Code: \\mathbb{R}^{D} . This isn't correct. If it's a background space-time it's got to be locally Minkowskian, not locally Euclidean. That's why it doesn't make sense to claim that the background is Riemannian and yet it has a metric with a negative eigenvalue.
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Old Apr22-06, 11:11 AM                  #12
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Originally Posted by coalquay404
...they claim that the background field is described by a Riemannian manifold...This isn't correct.
A manifold is Riemannian if it's tangent space has a smoothly varying inner product g no matter what g's signature is.
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Old Apr22-06, 11:26 AM                  #13
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Originally Posted by josh1
A manifold is Riemannian if it's tangent space has a smoothly varying inner product g no matter what g's signature is.

A manifold which behaves like a Riemannian one but has a Minkowskian signature is now called [i]Lorentzian[/i}, a bad name IMHO becuse Lorentz had nothing to do with it. It should have been called Einsteinian, as he was the one who really invented this geometry. The name Riemannian is now reserved for manifolds with Euclidean signature.

Anyway, that's the "error", just a difference of terminology.
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Old Apr22-06, 11:43 AM                  #14
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Wiki "pseudo-Riemannian"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudo-Riemannian

"In differential geometry, a pseudo-Riemannian manifold ... is a generalization of a Riemannian manifold. The key difference between the two is that on a pseudo-Riemannian manifold the metric tensor need not be positive-definite. Instead a weaker condition of nondegeneracy is imposed.
Arguably, the most important type of pseudo-Riemannian manifold is a Lorentzian manifold. Lorentzian manifolds occur in the general theory of relativity as models of curved 4-dimensional spacetime. Just as Riemannian manifolds may be thought of a being locally modeled on Euclidean space, Lorentzian manifolds are locally modeled on Minkowski space."
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Old Apr22-06, 11:53 AM                  #15
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Yes, thank you Marcus. That gives us the full picture. My point was that many people from the older tradition continue to use the "abus de langage" of calling all of them Riemannian without regard for signature.
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Old Apr22-06, 12:17 PM                  #16
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Originally Posted by selfAdjoint
Anyway, that's the "error", just a difference of terminology.
Yes, describing spacetime in terms of "Riemannian manifolds with lorentzian metrics" is common among physicists. I guess we shouldn't feel too bad about viewing Riemannian manifolds in this way since Witten who is one of the worlds greatest mathematicians apparently has no problem with it, at least as far as his physics book is concerned. Hawking in his famous book "The large scale structure of spacetime" also fails to make the distinction. With this understanding, I can't say that GSW erred.
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