Candidates for near-future nuclear propulsion systems

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The discussion revolves around various candidates for near-future nuclear propulsion systems, exploring different sub-categories such as Nuclear Thermal Propulsion, Nuclear Pulsed Propulsion, Nuclear Electric Propulsion, and Hybrid Thermal/Electric Propulsion. Participants share their opinions on the effectiveness and practicality of these systems for space exploration missions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a preference for Nuclear Thermal Propulsion and Nuclear Electric Propulsion for their potential effectiveness in manned and unmanned missions, respectively.
  • There is skepticism about the practicality of the Nuclear Pulsed Propulsion systems, particularly the Orion project, with some suggesting it may not be feasible in the near future.
  • A participant introduces the M2P2 propulsion system, which utilizes a magnetic field to harness solar wind particles, suggesting it could be effective for small probes.
  • Discussion includes the potential of nuclear fusion reactors and stored antimatter as future power sources for propulsion systems.
  • One participant describes a hybrid propulsion system combining NERVA-type propulsion with a nuclear-powered electric engine for interplanetary travel.
  • Concerns are raised about the effectiveness of solar panels for outer-system exploration due to their limited energy output.
  • There is mention of using antimatter to initiate fission-fusion reactions for achieving high speeds, though caution is advised regarding the practicality of such systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on which propulsion system is superior, with multiple competing views and uncertainties regarding the practicality and effectiveness of the discussed systems.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in current propulsion technologies and the need for further development and exploration of various systems. There are unresolved questions about the feasibility and efficiency of hybrid systems and the role of emerging technologies in future space missions.

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Times are changing, what with the renewing of space exploration. Humanity should be un-arse-ing itself and moving towards our celestial neighbours. But we will only go to them, if we harness a better power souce. That, my friends, is good old nuclear propulsion. And yet, there are so many catagories of that type, that I want to know your opinions of which sub-category you like. The choices of which type you choose are listed here:

1) Nuclear Thermal Propulsion; This group includes KIWI, ROVER, and NERVA type rockets.

2) Nuclear Pulsed Propulsion; Includes both the ORION and DAEDALUS projects.

3) Nuclear Electric Propulsion; Basically, using a nuclear reactor to power an ion engine similar to the DS1/NSTAR variant.

4) Hybrid Thermal/Electric Propulsion; A combonation of 1. and 3., it could allow the escape from planets' gravity-wells, and interplanetary travel.

Decide and state your opinion(s).
 
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Well, I don't think one can really make a single
decisive choice here. Space missions can have great differences
in their parameters - mass, distance and more.

In general, I think that 1 and 3 are the ones we
should try and develop further for effective use.

The thermal nuclear propulsion systems are mostly
preferable for massive (manned - for example) missions,
while the combination of a nuclear power source
and an electric propulsion system could be great for
large unmanned space-probes traveling far out in the
solar system.

I do not believe that prop. systems like the one
from the Orion project are really practical,
or at least won't be so any time soon.

As for 4, I'm not quite certain what kind of
a combined system you're describing.

I'd like to add that there are other new prop.
systems that show promise - like the M2P2 that
uses a cloud of gas trapped by a magnetic field
to intercept the solar wind particles, thus pushing
back at and accelerating the spacecraft . For small
probes this could be very effective.

Also, electric propulsion systems using low-mass
solar panels.

Beyond that, we could be looking at nuclear fusion reactors
powering electric propulsion systems and thermal engines.
As well as stored anti-matter for power.

I don't know of any system today, or likely in the near future,
that would allow us to send interstellar probes out there.
But I'd love to see someone invent something like that...:wink:

Anyway, I'm getting carried away, as ussual with
such a subject, got'ta go study...

Live long and prosper.
 
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Originally posted by drag
I do not believe that prop. systems like the one
from the Orion project are really practical,
or at least won't be so any time soon.

As for 4, I'm not quite certain what kind of
a combined system you're describing.

I'd like to add that there are other new prop.
systems that show promise - like the M2P2 that
uses a cloud of gas trapped by a magnetic field
to intercept the solar wind particles, thus pushing
back at and accelerating the spacecraft . For small
probes this could be very effective.

Also, electric propulsion systems using low-mass
solar panels.

Beyond that, we could be looking at nuclear fusion reactors
powering electric propulsion systems and thermal engines.
As well as stored anti-matter for power.

Anyway, I'm getting carried away, as usual with
such a subject, got'ta go study...

Live long and prosper.

Well, the ORION project would be useful for "Space Arks" or tugs to carry bases across long distances. Also, I believe that an ORION-based launch vehicle fired from a desert-type terrain could launch the major peripherals of a lunar/martian base to the planets/moons they should belong.

Number four is a joint idea between NERVA-type propulsion and a nuclear-powered Deep Space One engine. The NTR would be used for orbital manuevers and the ion (electric) engine for interplanetary travel.

Ah, mini-magnetospheric-plasma propulsion. One of my favorite types. Although it has great promise for Jovian/Interstellar probing, it is unlikely we would use it for a lunar mission. It's capability of using a very small amount of fuel and at the same time giving it a high velocity is great in the case that we need to get out of this system. I know we need to explore, but we need to work on a smaller scale right now before we get ambitous interstellar plans. I would love to see a probe built, but we need to establish a planetary empire before we can settle the interstellar frontier. In short, I agree, but not at this moment.

Solar panels are ineffective for outer-system exploration, which is where there is a greater abundance of resources. It's simply impractical to have football sized fields of solar panels to give you only kilowatts of output energy. I'd take a tamed-nuke anyday.

For stored anti-matter systems, It would be good to use antimatter to initiate a more conventional system, like the ICAN-II project. It would start fission-fusion reactions with a few nanograms of antimatter and accelerate the craft to semi-interstellar speeds. However, for pure matter-antimatter propulsion, I would wait until we could make and send scoopships to Sol to grab the stuff.

\\//, (Vulcan hand-greeting) I shall live up to your words, and you the same.
 

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