SU(3) vs Directional Invariance

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between group theory, specifically SU(3), and the concept of directional invariance, with references to dimensionality and properties of geometric shapes. Participants explore the implications of these concepts in theoretical frameworks, including string theory.

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  • One participant suggests a similarity between group theory, SU(3), and directional invariance, referencing a "dynamic one-dimensional cube" and its properties.
  • Another participant questions the term "one-dimensional cube," seeking clarification on its meaning.
  • A different participant proposes that the term might refer to a "Planck Cube," indicating a possible misunderstanding of dimensionality.
  • One participant provides a formula for the volume of an n-cube and discusses the properties of a one-dimensional cube, noting it has two vertices and one edge.
  • Another participant argues against the idea of a one-dimensional cube having eight properties, emphasizing that it is simply a line segment.
  • A participant introduces concepts from superstring theory, discussing how dimensions are compactified and referencing Calabi-Yau shapes, while asserting that properties of geometric objects are invariant across transformations.
  • Another participant challenges the interpretation of string theory, stating that higher dimensions are necessary for dynamics rather than finding complex shapes in lower dimensions.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of dimensionality and the properties of geometric shapes, with no consensus reached on the relationship between SU(3) and directional invariance or the implications of string theory.

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The discussion includes various interpretations of dimensionality and geometric properties, with some participants relying on specific mathematical definitions that may not align with others' understandings.

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The more I read about group theory and SU(3), the stronger is my suspicion that they are very similar to the principle of directional invariance, which is based on the ideas of describing a dynamic one-dimensional cube and its eight properties.

Maybe I am wrong and too engross in my own ideas of imagining a similarity that I seeing the forest from the trees. If there is someone who can shed light on groups and SU(3), I am willing to listen. Thanks.
 
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Originally posted by Antonio Lao
The more I read about group theory and SU(3), the stronger is my suspicion that they are very similar to the principle of directional invariance, which is based on the ideas of describing a dynamic one-dimensional cube and its eight properties.

Maybe I am wrong and too engross in my own ideas of imagining a similarity that I seeing the forest from the trees. If there is someone who can shed light on groups and SU(3), I am willing to listen. Thanks.

What do you mean by a "One dimensional cube"?
 
Originally posted by Antonio Lao
The more I read about group theory and SU(3), the stronger is my suspicion that they are very similar to the principle of directional invariance, which is based on the ideas of describing a dynamic one-dimensional cube and its eight properties.

Maybe I am wrong and too engross in my own ideas of imagining a similarity that I seeing the forest from the trees. If there is someone who can shed light on groups and SU(3), I am willing to listen. Thanks.


Quote:dynamic one-dimensional cube and its eight properties.

Surely you mean a 'Planck Cube'?
 
1-dim cube

The volume of an n-cube width half-side length 1 is

[tex]V=2^n[/tex]

When n=1 dimension, V=2. But the properties of a cube:
(1) having eight vertices
(2) having six sides
Should still be implied in the 1-cube.
 
No. The 1-dimensional cube is a line segement with 2 vertices and one edge and no faces.

The general formulas for hypercubes are found at this Mathworld site
 
Superstring did it?

From my understanding of superstring, it's exactly how the theorists did it. They look very closely at the 1-dim string and found that many dimensions are here compactified. They even have a name for this multi-dim object. It's called a Calabi-Yau shape.

Using abstract math, we can say that a 3-cube can be transform into a 1-cube with 11 edges, 6 vertices, and 6 faces being all compacted but the properties for the "cube" are invariants. Otherwise we can call the transformed object any other name like 1-sphere or 1-tetrahedron or 1-octahedron or 1-dodecahedron, etc. All these other object do satify the Euler polyhedral formula:

V+F-E=2

V is number of vertices, f is number of faces, and E is the number of edges. This formula gives the distinction and the properties for the different objects. That is why they have their different name. It doesn't matter at what dimension we are looking, their properties are invariants.
 
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No, you have misunderstood the logic of string theory. They did not find complex shapes in lower dimensions, they found that higher dimensions were necessary to their dynamics. One dimension is just a line.
 
Thanks for your help.
 

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