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There was no mention of Moon bases and Men on Mars in his SOU address last night, or at least according to the review I listened to (BBC?).
Is this good news?
Is this good news?
Will corporations beat Bush to the Moon?
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Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around the implications of President Bush's lack of mention of Moon bases and Mars missions in a recent State of the Union address. Participants explore the potential motivations behind this omission and speculate on the role of corporations in lunar exploration.
Discussion Character
- Debate/contested
- Exploratory
Main Points Raised
- Some participants suggest that the omission of Moon and Mars plans could be a positive development, allowing funds to be redirected to other areas like research or education.
- Others speculate that the decision to drop these plans might be due to unfavorable public reaction, viewing it as a political maneuver rather than a genuine initiative.
- One participant mentions that corporations, such as TransOrbital, are planning lunar missions, indicating that private ventures may surpass governmental efforts in reaching the Moon.
- There is a humorous exchange about the nature of political announcements, with references to previous controversial topics raised by the President.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express differing views on the implications of the President's omission, with some seeing it as a strategic decision and others as a missed opportunity. The role of corporations in lunar exploration is also a point of contention, with no consensus on whether they will indeed surpass governmental efforts.
Contextual Notes
Participants reference various motivations and implications surrounding political announcements, but the discussion remains speculative without definitive evidence or conclusions.
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jimmy p
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Im not sure, it could be good because it would save a lot of money which would be better off somewhere else for the moment, such as research or education. However it does mean the Mr. Bush probably has some dastardly stupid scheme somewhere behind his sloping forehead. Watch out guys, a madman is on the loose with ideas!
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Evo
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I read that he was advised to drop it because his announcements of the proposed moon & Mars plans did not garner enough favorable reaction. It was all just an election year ploy.
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Chemicalsuperfreak
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Ditto. It was just a trial balloon. Probably should have floated one on steroids. Last year it was sex slaves. If he gives one next year it will probably be about Sex Slaves from Mars with 'Roid Rage.
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Zantra
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Gee, now didn't I say that on the first post about this, back when he first proposed it? Big Shocker...heheh
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Evo
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YES, you did!
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Nommos Prime (Dogon)
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The Corporations may beat Bush there...
I've reproduced this correspondence from the Lunascan group. It seems the corporations are going to our Moon this year. Bush better get his arse in gear...
"At 02:02 PM 1/16/2004 -0800, Robert Garfinkle wrote:
>Hi Francis,
>I may be late for the party, but what is this TransOrbital "Trailblazer"
>trip to the Moon all about? Will it be a lunar orbital mission or a lander?
>What instrumentation will it carry? Is there a website for this project?
Hewlett/Packard is providing the computers & people like Pepsi Cola will
pay for the footages created and use them for advertizing. They plan on
imaging previous landing sites for hardware, but I suggested an overflight
of the Blair Cuspids, which would be very close to the Apollo landing site.
Fran
http://www.transorbital.net/
THE FIRST COMMERCIAL VENTURE TO THE MOON:
Transorbital is the only private company to be authorized by the US State
Department and NOAA for commercial flights to the Moon. The TrailBlazer
lunar orbiter will be the first delivery service to the Moon. Delivered to
the Moon surface in a special capsule will be your certificates, business
cards, cremated remains, jewelry, artwork and many other items of choice.
The Trailblazer satellite will deliver commercial and scientific projects
and experiments to lunar orbit, as well as conduct lunar exploration and
mapping.
During its voyage to the Moon, Trailblazer will provide live streaming
video of the entire mission, pictures of Earth from space, detailed maps of
the full Moon surface, photographs of Apollo landing sites including
Apollo 11, dramatic EarthRise; video and a mission ending live HDTV
video broadcast of the spacecraft as it "Barn-Storms" over the lunar terrain.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
THE LUNASCAN PROJECT (TLP): An Earth-Based Telescopic Imaging (EBTI)
program using live and recorded CCD technology to document and record
Lunar Transient Phenomena (LTPs).
The Lunascan Project HomePage
http://www.evansville.net/~slk/lshomepage.html
The Project's Mission Statement :
http://www.evansville.net/~slk/miss.html
"
I've reproduced this correspondence from the Lunascan group. It seems the corporations are going to our Moon this year. Bush better get his arse in gear...
"At 02:02 PM 1/16/2004 -0800, Robert Garfinkle wrote:
>Hi Francis,
>I may be late for the party, but what is this TransOrbital "Trailblazer"
>trip to the Moon all about? Will it be a lunar orbital mission or a lander?
>What instrumentation will it carry? Is there a website for this project?
Hewlett/Packard is providing the computers & people like Pepsi Cola will
pay for the footages created and use them for advertizing. They plan on
imaging previous landing sites for hardware, but I suggested an overflight
of the Blair Cuspids, which would be very close to the Apollo landing site.
Fran
http://www.transorbital.net/
THE FIRST COMMERCIAL VENTURE TO THE MOON:
Transorbital is the only private company to be authorized by the US State
Department and NOAA for commercial flights to the Moon. The TrailBlazer
lunar orbiter will be the first delivery service to the Moon. Delivered to
the Moon surface in a special capsule will be your certificates, business
cards, cremated remains, jewelry, artwork and many other items of choice.
The Trailblazer satellite will deliver commercial and scientific projects
and experiments to lunar orbit, as well as conduct lunar exploration and
mapping.
During its voyage to the Moon, Trailblazer will provide live streaming
video of the entire mission, pictures of Earth from space, detailed maps of
the full Moon surface, photographs of Apollo landing sites including
Apollo 11, dramatic EarthRise; video and a mission ending live HDTV
video broadcast of the spacecraft as it "Barn-Storms" over the lunar terrain.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
THE LUNASCAN PROJECT (TLP): An Earth-Based Telescopic Imaging (EBTI)
program using live and recorded CCD technology to document and record
Lunar Transient Phenomena (LTPs).
The Lunascan Project HomePage
http://www.evansville.net/~slk/lshomepage.html
The Project's Mission Statement :
http://www.evansville.net/~slk/miss.html
"
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