Theory of a Spontaneous Universe

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The discussion revolves around a proposed theory that combines concepts from quantum mechanics to explain the origin of the universe and its properties. The scope includes theoretical exploration and speculative reasoning about existence, probability, and conservation of energy.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a theory suggesting that a timeless place governed by probability could lead to the spontaneous creation of universes, with the total energy remaining zero through the balance of positive and negative energies.
  • Another participant references the anthropic principle, implying that our universe's properties are a result of the existence of observers within it.
  • Concerns are raised about the justification of the existence of a larger infinite manifold from which the universe emerges, questioning the implications of such a framework on quantum mechanics.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the understanding of physics underlying the proposed theory, suggesting it may be perceived as lacking rigor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and implications of the proposed theory. There is no consensus on the framework or the interpretations of quantum mechanics presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of justification for the existence of the proposed larger manifold and the implications of unrestricted Feynman paths on early quantum mechanics.

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The following theory is something I have been working on. It combines ideas of quantum mechanics to explain the possible source of all phenomena, I really want to see some feedback.

In quantum mechanics we all know that there is always some probability that a particle entering a potential barrier has some probability to tunnel through that barrier. With barrier restrictions, anything becomes possible (although highly improbable).

Now imagine a place outside of existence ruled by only time and probability. In this place conservation of energy is also observed (total energy throughout existence/nonexistance is zero).

If there were no universe in this place, then it extends over all time. This place is timeless, existing all at once. If there is any probability for creating a universe governed by an arbitrary set of rules, given an infinite amount of time that universe WILL be created (the probability will drop to 1:1). This means that every combination of every probable universe will spontaneously generate.

But what about conservation of energy? How can we have something out of nothing. Because the absolute energy of this place is defined at zero (what i like the call the cosmic zero), we can bend the rules by creating a universe of positive and negative energy. Or even an infinite number of positive energy and infinite number of negative energy universe's. The total energy remains zero, but the universe's can spontaneously create themselves and stick around for a while.

The only reason we perceive the universe the way we do is because any other combination of physical properties and laws would have lead to another universe. Its like the fish asking why there is water everywhere. The answer is: because if there was no water, there would be no fish.

Thoughts?
 
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Originally posted by spiral

Its like the fish asking why there is water everywhere. The answer is: because if there was no water, there would be no fish.

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There is more in heaven and Earth than can be dreamt of in your philosophy.

I do very much like that quote. and it goes:

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

My biologist friend tells me that I am personally descended from a fish, and this fish did (as you suggest) often wonder why there was so much water all around. But he would not accept the explanation that it was because he, a fish, existed. This he found unsatisfactory, and he preferred to suppose that it came from the stars, which he could see twinkling wetly thru the water above him.
 
Originally posted by spiral
imagine a place outside of existence [with the following properties:]

ruled by only time and probability...conservation of energy...If there were no universe in this place, then it extends over all time...timeless, existing all at once...absolute energy of this place is defined at zero...

Yesterday upon the stairs
I met a man who wasn't there.

I saw him there again today
I wish I wish he'd go away.

Originally posted by spiral
The only reason we perceive the universe the way we do is because any other combination of physical properties and laws would have lead to another universe.

This is known as the anthropic principle.

Originally posted by spiral
The following theory is something I have been working on. It combines ideas of quantum mechanics to explain the possible source of all phenomena

If you want to avoid looking like a crackpot and wasting other members time, don't offer theories about physics you clearly don't understand.
 
Originally posted by spiral
In quantum mechanics we all know that there is always some probability that a particle entering a potential barrier has some probability to tunnel through that barrier. With barrier restrictions, anything becomes possible (although highly improbable).

Now imagine a place outside of existence ruled by only time and probability. In this place conservation of energy is also observed (total energy throughout existence/nonexistance is zero).

First of all, it sounds like you are describing the universe as a submanifold inside a larger (infinite) manifold. You have not justified the existence of this larger, infinite manifold/space to begin with.

Second, if there did exist a larger infinite space in which the earlier universe developed, then the Feynman path intergral formulation of quantum mechanics would mean that the possible paths would include every path through this infinite space, and we would have very different early quantum mechanics than would be if the Feynman paths are restricted to the size of the very early univserse.
 

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