Calculating Impulse and Force: Can I Determine Collision Forces?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the ability to determine the forces exerted during a collision between two balls based on their momentums and the angle of impact. Participants explore the relationship between force, momentum, and time, particularly questioning whether it is possible to calculate collision forces without knowing the duration of contact.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if knowing the momentums and angle is sufficient to determine the forces during a collision.
  • Another participant asserts that it is not possible to determine the forces without additional details, particularly the time of contact.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether there is a method to calculate the forces without knowing the time of contact.
  • One response emphasizes that while velocities after the collision can be calculated, knowing the force requires knowledge of the time over which the change occurs.
  • It is noted that knowing acceleration could lead to force calculations, but this also depends on knowing the time duration of the collision.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the feasibility of calculating collision forces without knowing the time of contact. Some assert it is impossible, while others suggest that velocities can still be calculated.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the time variable for determining forces, which remains unresolved in terms of how to approach the problem without it.

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Is it enough to know the momentums of the balls (and the angle) to determine what force they exert on each other when they collide?

I know F delta t = m delta v but how can I know the time?

Please help.
 
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You can't!

Your question seems very lacking in detail...
 
I mean isn't there a way that I can know the force they exert on each other without knowing the time they thouch each other?

Thanks.
 
In a word, no.
 
But there must be a way to calculate their velocities after the collision.
 
Yes, of course there is. That WASN'T your question before.
You may be thinking that since you know change in speed you must be able to find the force.

That's not correct. If you knew acceleration you would able to find the force but knowing what acceleration causes the change in force would require that you know the time in which the change takes place.
 
Ok thanks.
 

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