Special Relativity, change in distance and time at slow speeds

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The discussion revolves around a problem in special relativity, specifically addressing the effects of relativistic speeds on distance and time experienced by travelers. The original poster presents a scenario involving a car trip from New York to Los Angeles, questioning how the distance and time experienced differ from the classical calculations due to relativistic effects.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the Lorentz factor but struggles with the calculations, particularly with the small values involved. Some participants suggest using the binomial expansion to simplify the calculations, while others question the interpretation of the results and the relevance of the change in length versus the actual length.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different mathematical approaches and clarifying concepts related to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the binomial expansion, but there is no explicit consensus on how to proceed effectively.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of dealing with very small numbers in calculations and the potential limitations of calculators in handling such precision. There is also a focus on understanding the difference between the actual distance and the perceived change in distance due to relativistic effects.

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I was able to do pretty much every other problem dealing with this topic except this one which is bothering me. Here is the question:

The distance from New York to Los Angeles is about 5000 km and should take about 50 h in a car driving at 100 km/h. (a) How much shorter than 5000 km is the distance according to the car travelers? (b) How much less than 50 h do they age during the trip?

Can someone please give me a hint as to which equation I am looking for to solve this problem? Basically all equations with sqrt(1-(u^2/c^2)) are coming out completely wrong for me.

I am able to get to sqrt(1-(27.78^2/3x10^8)) but don't really know how to deal with subtracting such a small number. Obviously my calculator is throwing 1 at me which screws up the equation.

Any help is appreciated.
 
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Use the binomial expansion of (1 + x)^n (where x << 1) to estimate the change in distance: (1 + x)^n = 1 + nx + ...
 
I am still at a loss here. I found the expansion to be 1+x/2-(x^2)/8 which really does not help me much. With x = 8.57*10^-15, I am still getting what essentially is 1.
 
Do you have a scientific calculator function on your computer? (With Windows, it should be under "accessories".) I know that the one on my computer is capable of handling that many decimal places.
 
kambrian said:
I am still at a loss here. I found the expansion to be 1+x/2-(x^2)/8 which really does not help me much. With x = 8.57*10^-15, I am still getting what essentially is 1.
Realize that you are being asked for the change in length, not the length.

Try this:
[tex]L = L_0 \sqrt{1 - v^2/c^2}= L_0 (1 - v^2/c^2)^{1/2}[/tex]

Thus, using a binomial expansion (for v^2/c^2 << 1) :
[tex]L \approx L_0 (1 - (1/2)v^2/c^2)[/tex]

So:
[tex]\Delta L \approx -(1/2) L_0 v^2/c^2[/tex]
 
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