Multiple Universe: Could Black Holes Create New Universes?

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The discussion centers around the concept of whether black holes could create new universes, particularly focusing on the nature of singularities and their implications in the context of general relativity and cosmology. Participants explore theoretical ideas and seek to understand the mathematical and conceptual underpinnings of these phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant wonders if singularities in black holes could generate new universes, suggesting that the singularity might represent a point of infinite density similar to that which spawned our universe.
  • Another participant describes different types of black holes, specifically mentioning the Kerr black hole and the idea that passing through its ring-shaped singularity could lead to another universe characterized by repulsive gravity.
  • A concern is raised regarding the definition of singularities, questioning how an object of infinite density can have a shape, which seems contradictory to the concept of infinite density.
  • One participant expresses a desire to learn the mathematics necessary to understand these phenomena, indicating a lack of local resources and seeking recommendations for educational materials.
  • There is a mention of the Big Bang singularity and a claim that theories surrounding it have been largely discarded, referencing Stephen Hawking's work.
  • A clarification is offered that the shape of a singularity can be understood mathematically, suggesting a conceptualization of a circle or line that connects to itself, thus maintaining the idea of infinite density without having volume.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the nature of singularities and their implications for the creation of new universes. There is no consensus on the validity of the ideas presented, and the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views.

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Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding and the complexity of the mathematical concepts involved. There are unresolved questions about the definitions and implications of singularities in the context of black holes and the universe.

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I'm new to relativity and have only seen a few things but from what I have seen has lead me to wonder. My question is: If the singularities which form in black holes are similar to the point of infinite density that spawned our universe. Would it be possible that the singularity formed in black hole generate an new universe as it pinches itself off from the our universe. If this were true then the point in our space where the singularity is would become the beginning of time for the new universe. This would seem to hold true because in order to travel backward in time you must travel faster than light the same holds true for escaping a "black hole".


I have no Idea if this makes any sense or if it is complete stupidity or even if it has any relavence to relativity. I would appreciate feedback and any references to good material on cosmology and relativity.
 
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Hi, there are various types of possible black hole in General relativity, for example the Schwarzschild black hole that is nonrotating and noncharged,and has a singularity with the shape of a point, but is assumed that the most probable existent black hole is a Kerr black hole (rotating and without charge), that has a singularity with the shape of a ring. Some people think that if you pass through the ring you will arrive to another universe, but very peculiar, is an antigravity universe, where gravity is repulsive
 
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I've heard mention of things like that but what I find problematic about this is that: A singularity should be an object of infinite desity by its very definition and if it where shaped like a point, dot or ring then that would imply that the object has dimensions, and therefore cannot be infinitely dense, instead it would just be a hyperdense object.




I wish i could learn the math nessecary to descibe these phenomenea unfortunately no one anywhere near me nows how and my only reasources are books and the internet and any references would be nice. (I only have a grade 12 education but math comes extremely asy for me and all I need is the information.
 
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I wish i could learn the math nessecary to descibe these phenomenea unfortunately no one anywhere near me nows how and my only reasources are books and the internet and any references would be nice. (I only have a grade 12 education but math comes extremely asy for me and all I need is the information.
Try a book by Wolfgang Rindler, "Relativity: Special, General and Cosmological," published in 2001 by Oxford University Press, ISBN 0 19 850836 0 (Paperback). You should be a bit comfortable with calculus. If you are not, learn that first.
 
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the point of infinite density that spawned our universe. .


If i recall theories of a Big Bang singualrity have been largely discarded, I know Hawking did his thesis on it, but later discarded it as ultimately incorrect (its in his book A Brief History of Time).
 
Thank you on both points I definitely check into both of those. However, I still can't understand how an object of infinite density hasw a shape.
 
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Thank you on both points I definitely check into both of those. However, I still can't understand how an object of infinite density hasw a shape.


Its a mathematical consequence. Physically its kinda difficult to visulaize, but think of it not as a 3 dimensional ring, but rather a circle, a line that connects to itself, and thus has no volume. This mantains the idea of infite density, even though it is not a point.
 
thank you that explains a lot
 

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