Electron Dot Diagram and Structural Formulas

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on determining electron dot diagrams and structural formulas for diatomic and polyatomic elements and compounds, specifically using nitrogen tri-iodide (NI3) and carbon dioxide (CO2) as examples. Participants explore the basics of electron dot structures, the role of valence electrons, and the implications of covalent bonding.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on how to create electron dot diagrams and structural formulas, expressing confusion particularly with double covalent bonds.
  • Another participant explains the process of determining the structure for nitrogen tri-iodide, detailing the valence electrons of nitrogen and iodine and how they share electrons.
  • The same participant provides an example of carbon dioxide, describing how the double bond forms between carbon and oxygen and how to account for the electrons involved.
  • A third participant attempts to illustrate the proposed dot diagrams for both nitrogen tri-iodide and carbon dioxide, confirming their understanding of the explanations given.
  • Further positive feedback is provided regarding the accuracy of the dot diagrams shared by the third participant.
  • The original poster expresses gratitude for the assistance and indicates a willingness to return with further questions if needed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic principles of creating electron dot diagrams and structural formulas, but there is no explicit consensus on the complexity of double bonds or the best methods for visual representation.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the understanding of valence electrons and covalent bonding are present, but these are not universally defined or agreed upon. The discussion does not resolve the potential complexities involved in drawing structures with double bonds.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and individuals seeking to understand electron dot diagrams and structural formulas in chemistry, particularly those struggling with covalent bonding concepts.

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Hello,

I was hoping someone here might be able to explain to me how to determine electron dot diagrams and structural formulas of diatomic/polyatomic elements and compounds. For example...

Nitrogen Tri-iodide ( NI3 )

I know the basics of electron dot structures, but when the atoms start having double covalent bonds I lose track and get confused. Structural formulas are also unclear to me except for that they are a simpler version of the dot diagrams using a single line for single covalent bonds, double for double covalent, and so forth. Thanks a bunch. :smile:
 
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It really isn't that hard. I remember when I first really started having to draw structures with the whole lewis dot deal I had a bit of trouble doing it.
First thing you have to consider is the valence of the central atom, in your example it is nitrogen. Nitrogen has a valence of 5 electrons. And the bonding atoms are the iodines, and they have a valence of 7, so they only need one more electron to be happy.
So this is how to work out your example...

N has five valence electrons, 3 of which are going to be shared with the iodines (since there are 3 iodines), which leaves you with two left over. So those two are a lone pair, which is simply two electrons together. So you'd have the N with three iodines attached to it, sharing one of their seven valence electrons with one of the electrons from nitrogen. That makes three lone electrons from nitrogen as a total, one of each three being shared with one of the other electrons of iodine. And you have a lone pair sitting on the side of the nitrogen. It's really much easier to explain by drawing it but that's obviously not an option.
There are no double bonds involved here so this was a pretty easy example, but in the case of the double bond, let's look at CO2. Carbon has 4 valence electrons and oxygen has six, so each oxygen needs two electrons from carbon. So two of carbon's electrons are shared with an oxygen, and two of oxygen's valence electrons are shared with a carbon. Two dots on one side of carbon plus an additional 2 dots from oxygen makes four. These four comprise the double bond. The same goes for the other oxygen in CO2. So, counting the electrons around carbon, there are 4 on each side, two sides, making 8. There are two lone pairs on each oxygen plus the four involved in the double bond between carbon and oxygen; the two lone pairs make four electrons total plus the double bond makes eight. Everyone's happy.
So much easier to have a diagram.
I'm sure there are many sites online (google.com) that will have drawings to accompany the explanation, you should try doing some searching.
I hope I helped.
 
Hmmm. Well, going piece by piece here, I think I understand how you came to making a dot diagram of nitrogen tri-iodide. It would end up looking something like this... correct?

PHP:
 ..  ..  ..
:I : N : I :
 ..  ..  ..
   :I :
    ..

...and the CO2 example would end up looking like...

PHP:
  ..     ..
:O::C::O:

They look a tad bit rough.. I know.. but the meaning is implied well enough. I hope.
 
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Wow. Very nice
Yeah, that's exactly what I was referring to. Nice. Try finding more examples to practise online. eg. google!
 
Excellent. Thanks so much for your help. If I encounter any more problems in this area I'll be sure to post them in this thread again. Thank-you!
 

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