Integral of Natural Log Part II

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The discussion revolves around the integral of the natural logarithm function, specifically the integral of ln(x+1) with respect to x. Participants are exploring integration techniques, particularly integration by parts, and comparing it to the integral of ln(x).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts integration by parts but finds themselves returning to the initial integral without resolution. Some participants suggest considering substitution as a potential approach, while others express frustration with their understanding of the problem.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some offering alternative methods and expressing their own challenges. There is a recognition of the difficulties involved, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive approach or solution.

Contextual Notes

There is an indication that the original poster has successfully integrated ln(x) previously, which may influence their expectations for integrating ln(x+1). Additionally, the discussion includes references to previous threads and formulas that may be relevant to the current problem.

wubie
Hi,

I am still having trouble with taking the integral of the following:

integral of ln(x+1) dx

I am trying to do it by parts but I end up getting stuck. I had no problem doing:

integral of ln x dx

But I can't seem to get

integral of ln (x+1) dx


Let u = ln (x+1) then du = 1/ (x+1)

Let dv = dx then v = x.

So then

integral of ln (x+1) dx =

ln(x+1)*x - integral of x/(x+1) dx

I then though that I would integrate the last part by parts again.

Let u = x then du = dx

Let dv = 1/(x+1) then v = ln(x+1)

So then

integral of x/(x+1) dx =

x*ln(x+1) - integral of ln(x+1) dx.

So far I now have

integral of ln (x+1) dx =

ln(x+1)*x - [x*ln(x+1) - integral of ln(x+1) dx]

But then all I end up getting is

integral of ln (x+1) dx = integral of ln (x+1) dx

So I am back to where I started. What am I doing incorrectly?

Any help is appreciated. Thankyou.
 
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you know the integral of ln[x] and now u want integral of ln[x+1]?
Is it just me or do I hear x+1 begging to be substituted??
 
!@#$!@#$!@#$!@#$%!@#$!

What is wrong with me tonight? I can't see anything. >8(

Thanks stoffer.

Cheers.
 
no prob. we all have our moments
 
[tex]\int \ln(x+1) dx[/tex]
let [tex]u=x+1[/tex]
then [tex]du=1 dx[/tex]
so you have
[tex]\int \ln(u) du[/tex]
which is:
now you can apply the formula I gave you in the other thread so you get:
[tex]u \ln u - u = (x+1) \ln (x+1) - (x+1)[/tex]

FYI derivation of the formula:

[tex]\int \ln(x) dx = \int \ln(x) * 1 dx[/tex]
now by parts we have:
[tex]u=\ln(x)[/tex]
[tex]dv=1dx[/tex]
so
[tex]du=\frac{1}{x} dx[/tex]
[tex]v=x[/tex]
so
[tex]\int 1 * \ln(x) dx=\int u dv = uv+C_1-\int v du =[/tex]
[tex]x \ln x +C_1- \int x* \frac{1}{x} dx=x \ln x +C_1- \int 1dx = x \ln x +C_1- x+C_2=[/tex]
[tex]x \ln x -x +C[/tex]
 

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