Distance measurement with laser

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods for measuring distance using lasers, specifically in the context of constructing a low-cost, zero-contact measurement system for a 3-axis CNC machine. Participants explore various techniques, including timing pulses, triangulation, and interferometry, while considering the accuracy and feasibility of DIY solutions.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a consumer laser and a PIC microprocessor to create a budget-friendly distance measurement system, drawing on experiences from a physics lab involving Doppler measurements.
  • Another participant mentions that commercial laser range finders utilize high-speed clocks to measure return times, questioning if the accuracy of "plus or minus two yards/meters" meets the original poster's needs.
  • A different contributor describes laser distance sensors that employ triangulation, noting that timing pulses may not be effective for short distances typical in CNC applications.
  • One participant references a technical document from Keyence that discusses various sensor technologies, including laser triangulation and confocal methods, suggesting that these could be adapted for the user's project.
  • The original poster expresses interest in interferometry but acknowledges the challenges of needing a stable mirror setup for reverse engineering, while also considering the potential of using surplus lenses with stepper motors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the potential of using lasers for distance measurement but present multiple competing methods and technologies, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach for the original poster's specific application.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in accuracy and the complexity of replicating commercial models, as well as the need for stable setups in certain methods like interferometry. There are also varying opinions on the effectiveness of different measurement techniques.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in DIY electronics, laser measurement technologies, CNC machining, and experimental physics may find this discussion beneficial.

Cliff_J
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How would go about measuring distance with a laser?

I'd like to construct a zero-contact method of measuring distance much like the commercial units designed to allow digitizing of a model as a retrofit on a 3-axis CNC. My understanding is that they position the X-Y and then determine the Z for each point. I figure with an inexpensive consumer laser and something like a PIC microprocessor I might construct a low-budget form of this.

I remember a physics lab where we measured the velocity of a moving sled using a laser, IIRC we just measured the doppler so no help in this application. So a pulse of the laser and determining the time to return much like SONAR seems plausible.

Am I in way over my head?

Thanks in advance.

Cliff
 
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There is some usefull info at this site ; enough to verify that you seem to be on the right track. Commercially available laser range finders appear to use a highspeed clock to measure the return time of the signal. Unfortunately, it also states that this amazing technology will give you readings accurate to within "plus or minus two yards/meters", is that accurate enough for your needs?

If not, you may want to look at some form of triangulation or even interferometry to make finer measurements.
 
The laser distance sensors I have dealt with use trig, there is a slight angle on the transmitted beam, the sensor is able to register the location of the reflected beam, this information is sufficient to compute the distance quite accurately.

I do not think timing pulses would work for the short distances involved in a CNC mill.

http://www.keyence.com/products/measuring/lc/lc.html?links=10:M:T this site for more information. These sensors will generally have a long range low accuracy mode or a short range high accuracy mode. Of course longer range higher accuracy means more $$.

Given the right sensors it would indeed be possible to build your own, not sure if you would be able to match the quality and features of the commercial models. They have a significant amount of electronics on board.
 
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Ok, thanks for the responses.

I looked up interferometry and sure enough I'd done that in a physics lab as well, kinda need a mirror on a stable plane to get that to work, a bit tough for reverse engineering. But it would definitely be precise...

That Keyence site has an excellent technical document in PDF that explains their use of inductive eddy currents sensors, laser triangulation with a CCD, and what they call 'confocal' with a half mirror and a focusing lens to sense the reflected focused spot. I like the last one, requires the least amount of circuitry and maybe I can find some old surplus lenses I can acutate with a stepper motor and make work. Hmmmm

Great ideas and links guys. Nice to find this forum.

Oh, and other ideas welcome as well!
Cliff
 

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