Integral of 1/(x^1/3 + x^1/4): Can Anyone Help?

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The discussion revolves around the integral of the function 1/(x^(1/3) + x^(1/4)), with participants exploring various methods for solving it. Additionally, there is a query regarding the expression x^sin(x) and whether it can be integrated directly or needs to be expressed as a series.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to start solving the integral of 1/(x^(1/3) + x^(1/4)).
  • Another suggests rewriting the integral as 1/(x^(1/4) * (1 + x^(1/12))) and considers using partial fractions, though they acknowledge it may be complicated.
  • A different participant proposes a substitution of x = y^12 as a potential method for solving the integral.
  • There is a suggestion to express x^sin(x) in terms of the exponential function, specifically exp{sin(x) * log(x)}.
  • One participant claims the integral is simple and suggests rewriting it as an integral of x raised to negative powers, but another points out that this manipulation is incorrect.
  • Further, a participant criticizes the approach of rushing into calculus without a solid algebra foundation, while also providing a different method for rewriting the integrand.
  • Another participant reiterates the substitution method and provides a specific transformation involving y = x^(1/12) to simplify the integral.

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Participants present multiple competing views on how to approach the integral, with no consensus on a single method or solution. There is also disagreement regarding the validity of certain manipulations of the integral.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their approaches and the implications of their manipulations, indicating a reliance on assumptions that may not be universally accepted.

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Can anybody help me with the integral of 1/ (x^1/3 + x^1/4)
(cube root and fourth root of x) I don't really know where to start.

Also my roomate and i were wondering if x^sin(x) exists or if it has to be expressed and integrated as some sort of series.(something i haven't learned yet)
 
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Perhaps you could rewrite it as 1 / (x^(1/4) * (1 + x^(1/12))) and use partial fractions? I don't really know. Looks like it'll be pretty messy...
 
try substituting x = y^12

as for x^sin(x).. it's exp{log(x^sinx)} = exp{sinx*log(x)}

that's the standard way of defining x^f(x)
 
ok thanks for your help guys
 
stoffer said:
Can anybody help me with the integral of 1/ (x^1/3 + x^1/4)
(cube root and fourth root of x) I don't really know where to start.

Also my roomate and i were wondering if x^sin(x) exists or if it has to be expressed and integrated as some sort of series.(something i haven't learned yet)

just take the ln of that.. and do the rest intuitively, but hey what do i know, I am only 16.
 
MlleRosie said:
This is actually a very simple integral. Rewrite it as [tex]\int x^{-\frac{1}{3}} + x^{-\frac{1}{2}} dx[/tex]

That is certainly not the same as the function in the original post.
 
MlleRosie said:
Sorry, I meant [tex]\int x^{-\frac{1}{3}} + x^{-\frac{1}{4}} dx[/tex]

That still isn't the same function. You can't manipulate fractions like that, it just doesn't work.
 
This is why I'm not a fan of rushing people into calculus without a solid foundation in the basics of algebra. (In reference to d_leet's quotes.)

Anyway, matt's substitution kills this integral. You can also re-write the integrand as:

[itex]\frac{x^{12}}{x^4 + x^3} = \frac{x^9}{1 + x} = \frac{x^9 + 1 - 1}{1+x}[/itex]

Then proceed...
 
morphism said:
Anyway, matt's substitution kills this integral. You can also re-write the integrand as:

[itex]\frac{x^{12}}{x^4 + x^3} = \frac{x^9}{1 + x} = \frac{x^9 + 1 - 1}{1+x}[/itex]

Then proceed...

Actually it's a power less in the numerator:

[itex]I=\int \frac{dx}{\sqrt[3]{x}+\sqrt[4]{x}}=12 \int \frac{y^{8}}{y+1}{}dy[/itex]

,where [itex]y=\sqrt[12]{x}[/itex].
 
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dextercioby said:
Actually it's a power less in the numerator:

[itex]I=\int \frac{dx}{\sqrt[3]{x}+\sqrt[4]{x}}=12 \int \frac{y^{8}}{y+1}{}dy[/itex]

,where [itex]y=\sqrt[12]{x}[/itex].
I didn't use the substitution...
 

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