Largest object/particle that possesses wave properties

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the largest objects or particles that exhibit wave properties, exploring the implications of wave-particle duality in various contexts, including atoms, molecules, and larger structures. Participants consider both theoretical and experimental perspectives on this topic.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that electrons are the largest known objects with wave properties, questioning if entire atoms can also be described in this way.
  • Others suggest that complex molecules, such as proteins, may exhibit quantum behavior, particularly in the context of protein folding and wavefunction collapse.
  • A participant points out that radio photons have wavelengths in the meter range, raising questions about the definition of "large."
  • It is noted that neutrons have wave properties, as evidenced by neutron scattering experiments, indicating that larger objects than electrons can also exhibit these properties.
  • Some participants mention that buckyballs (C60 and C70) and larger biomolecules have demonstrated wave-like behavior in experiments.
  • One participant states that all matter should theoretically display wave properties, with whole atoms being observed in double-slit experiments.
  • A discussion about the definition of an "object" arises, with one participant highlighting the complexity of defining larger entities like humans in the context of wave-particle duality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the definition of "large" in the context of wave properties, and there is no consensus on the largest object that can be described as possessing wave characteristics. The discussion remains unresolved with various perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence on definitions of "object" and "large," as well as the implications of wave-particle duality in different contexts, which may affect the interpretation of claims made.

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The largest object that I know of that posesses wave properties are electrons. Has anyone got an entire atom to possesses wave properties?]

Also, does the whole structure/model of an atom break down when you consider the smaller particles to be waves and not particles?
 
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There has been suggestion/evidence that complex (protein) molecules can be described as quantum objects. I'm not currently aware of the literature references, but if you search for protein folding, you'll find discussion that it requires wavefunction collapse to occur efficiently.
 
What do you mean by large? Radio photons have wavelengths in the meters.
 
Originally posted by dcl
The largest object that I know of that posesses wave properties are electrons. Has anyone got an entire atom to possesses wave properties?]

Also, does the whole structure/model of an atom break down when you consider the smaller particles to be waves and not particles?

I am not exactly sure what you mean by an "object". We definitely know that a neutron has wave properties or else all those neutron scattering experiments in condensed matter would be rather useless. So that already shows a wavelike properties for an "object" larger than electrons.

Secondly, if you can consider an "object" as an atom or molecule, then we have seen wavelike properties in objects as big as a C60 and C70 buckyballs,[1] and even as large as a biomolecule of tetraphenylporphyrin[2] that has a diameter of about 2 nm (more than twice as big as a C60 molecule).

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[1] M. Arndt et al., Nature v.401, p.680 (1999).
[2]L. Hackermüller et al., Phys. Rev. Lett. v.91, p.090408 (2003).
 
Technically, anything with momentum can be described as a wave; that is, the deBroglie wavelength is a function of momentum and can be calculated for even a planet.

But as for particles that exhibit classic wave phenomena such as diffraction, I know it has been observed for protons neutrons and alpha particles.

I'm glad to hear about the buckyballs too.
 
According to the theory, all matter should display wave properties. The largest that I know of that we have observed in experiments are whole atoms being sent through the double-slit experiment.
 
I would say that any object that you can clearly define as a single object can be described as a particle or wave. A human is difficult to describe. Where does the human stop? Do we count dead skin cells, dandruff, the bacteria living on our skin? It isn't that these things are not governable by wave-particle duality, it is just an uninteresting way to look at them. A black hole though, is easy to define. Everything inside the event horizon is part of the object, everything outside is not.

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