Uncovering the Ego of Steve Jobs: The Truth Behind Apple's Success | Wired

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the personalities and business practices of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, particularly in relation to their roles in the development and success of Apple and Microsoft. Participants explore themes of credit, rivalry, and public perception, with a focus on historical context and personal anecdotes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that Steve Jobs took credit for the Macintosh project despite initially opposing it and driving away key designers.
  • Others suggest that both Jobs and Gates engaged in questionable business practices, implying that their success is not solely due to merit.
  • There are claims that Bill Gates is perceived as a more favorable figure in the media compared to Jobs, who is described as aggressive and bitter.
  • One participant notes that Jobs' public demeanor and remarks about competitors may reflect his resentment towards Gates and Microsoft's success.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that Gates' ability to maintain a clean public image is a strategic advantage in the market.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the character and business ethics of Jobs and Gates, with no clear consensus on their respective merits or faults. Disagreements persist regarding the implications of their actions and public personas.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on personal perceptions and anecdotal evidence, which may not fully capture the complexities of the individuals' careers or the historical context of their companies.

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Steve Jobs, credited for the upbringing of Apple and almost all its inventions, may be twisted.

He didn't like the idea of the Macintosh, and in fact, hated it. He drove brilliant designers away, and when he found out that the Macintosh was a great idea...he took over the project.

He didn't invent it, he only took credit for it. Amazing how some Mac heads will say that Bill Gates takes too much credit:

http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,61795,00.html


A must read.
 
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Well, there is a saying out there something to the effect of "There is no such thing as an honest millionaire."

Both Gates and Jobs have done there equal share of dirty business. Regardless if it were not for the two of them I have no doubt in my mind we'd probably just now be getting super nintendo's.

Now, I don't know how involved Gates is with the software writing, it seems he's never done much in that department. But if not for his drive way back when, along with Job, and both of their cronies, we'd probably not be having this discussion right now.
 
I hear Bill Gates is a pretty good Boss.

I hear the opposite about Steve Jobs.

As far as media goes, Gates looks like the nicer person. Jobs continues to launch campaigns and attacks on his company and products (now he targets Sonicblue), but Gates never retaliates.
 
Steve Jobs has got to be the world's bitterest billionaire. He really resents that Gates "beat" him with with an inferior product by using marketing techniques. Maybe he's right; maybe he's wrong, but I would be happy to be a billionaire who was second best at something...anything.

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Bill Gates is just more clever. He hides his bitterness. He sees his enemies' bitterness and uses it against them. In the current market, it pays to make your company look sparkling clean. It doesn't matter what the company does, only what the public sees.
 
Yeah, Jobs is bitter.

Did anyone see the keynote speech @ macworld?

After Microsoft employees went up to present to Apple their new Office - yes, contradicts itself...Microsoft haters using Microsoft.

Anyways, after the presentation, Jobs made some wisecracks about Microsoft just as the Microsoft employees were leaving.

Oh yeah...that's smart. They present at your meeting, offer a extremely popular program on both platforms, and you mock them.

...And he's a billionaire?

:wink:
 

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