What Factors Can Damage or Modify DNA?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the various factors that can cause damage or modification to DNA strands, including theoretical and practical aspects of DNA mutations and the mechanisms involved. Participants explore different sources of DNA damage, the nature of mutations, and the role of environmental factors.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that radiation, chemicals, and viruses are significant factors that can damage or modify DNA.
  • Others argue that DNA undergoes natural changes, such as single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs), and that neutral evolution occurs continuously, even without identifiable changes at the phenotype level.
  • A participant asserts that mechanisms exist to prevent DNA mutations, emphasizing that DNA replication is performed with high fidelity.
  • There is a contention regarding the role of adaptation and evolution, with some stating that these are not direct causes of mutations, while others suggest that they influence which mutations are selected in a population.
  • Environmental stress is discussed, with some participants suggesting that it can lead to mutations, while others challenge this view, indicating that the definition of environmental stress can vary.
  • One participant mentions that inflammation caused by bacteria can be a source of environmental stress that may lead to DNA damage.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the causes of DNA damage and the nature of mutations. There is no consensus on the role of adaptation, evolution, and environmental stress in causing mutations, as differing interpretations and definitions are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some points raised depend on the definitions of terms like "environmental stress" and "mutation," which remain unresolved. The discussion also highlights the complexity of the relationship between DNA damage and evolutionary processes.

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Hello, I'm trying to compile a list of factors that could cause a DNA strand to be damaged or modified (denaturalized).

I'll list a few that I can think of, if you can add some or nix some of mine, please help me and reply, thanks.

1. Radiation (like gamma rays from the sun)
2. Chemicals (compounds like benzene that bind to the dents [I forget the technical word] in DNA's helical shape.)
3. Viruses (viruses that insert their own genes to that transcriptase produces clones of themselves)

Going out on a limb now...

4. Environmental stress
5. Adaptation and Evolution (human tail bones are vestiges of primate tails)
6. Low Energy Radiation (Radio, Microwave, IR, Visible light?)
7. Bacteria?
 
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Chaos'lil bro Order said:
Hello, I'm trying to compile a list of factors that could cause a DNA strand to be damaged or modified (denaturalized).

This is exactly the wrong way to think about mutation! Think of the DNA as naturally changing, undergoing SNP's (single nucleide polymorphisms: replacements of one of the four bases by another at some location) all the time. The big backgound level for evolution is Neutral Evolution, meaning indistinguishable from random. If no identifiable change is operating at the phenotype level, if there is no adaptive gradient, neutral evolution is still going on. It is going on in your body right now!.
 
selfAdjoint said:
It is going on in your body right now!.
I sure hope not! There are MANY mechanisms that prevent your DNA from mutating. And DNA is NOT naturally changing, those changes are prevented by the above mechanisms, DNA replication is done with high fidelity.

A SNP is a variation, not a mutation. You call a mutation a SNP when 80% of the population is variant for that base.
 
Chaos' lil bro Order said:
Hello, I'm trying to compile a list of factors that could cause a DNA strand to be damaged or modified (denaturalized).

I'll list a few that I can think of, if you can add some or nix some of mine, please help me and reply, thanks.

1. Radiation (like gamma rays from the sun)
2. Chemicals (compounds like benzene that bind to the dents [I forget the technical word] in DNA's helical shape.)
3. Viruses (viruses that insert their own genes to that transcriptase produces clones of themselves)

Going out on a limb now...

4. Environmental stress
5. Adaptation and Evolution (human tail bones are vestiges of primate tails)
6. Low Energy Radiation (Radio, Microwave, IR, Visible light?)
7. Bacteria?
For more information on mutations and mutagens, you can find a summary here http://www-personal.k-state.edu/~bethmont/mutdes.html#origins

Points number 5 and 6 don't cause DNA to be damaged, but adaptation is a driving force that selects certain mutations in a population. Point 7 is true, but this is because of the stress of inflammation that bacteria cause (environmental stress). Some other environmental stresses are things as mechanical stress (constant rubbing) or stress from heat (hot water). There is a population in Japan that eats their rice boiling hot, they have a high incidence of mouth and throat cancers.
 
I think #5, Adaptation and Evolution, is incorrect. Evolution may decide which mutations are successful and which ones aren't, but it isn't a cause for mutations. Same goes for environmental stress.
 
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I think #5, Adaptation and Evolution, is incorrect. Evolution may decide which mutations are successful and which ones aren't, but it isn't a cause for mutations. Same goes for environmental stress.
If you would have read my post you would have seen that I already adressed those two points. The environmental stress balances on how you define the term, smoking can be defined as an environmental stress and thus cause mutations.
 
I read 20% of it. Don't you know to first delineate the points of your post in the first paragraph and expand on them only in the remaining body? :smile:
 
Monique said:
For more information on mutations and mutagens, you can find a summary here http://www-personal.k-state.edu/~bethmont/mutdes.html#origins

Points number 5 and 6 don't cause DNA to be damaged, but adaptation is a driving force that selects certain mutations in a population. Point 7 is true, but this is because of the stress of inflammation that bacteria cause (environmental stress). Some other environmental stresses are things as mechanical stress (constant rubbing) or stress from heat (hot water). There is a population in Japan that eats their rice boiling hot, they have a high incidence of mouth and throat cancers.


Thanks Monique you seem to give the most knowledgeable answer.
 

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