Which Cantilever Design Is More Efficient for a School Project?

  • Context: High School 
  • Thread starter Thread starter shutout31
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Cantilever Project
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of a cantilever for a high school physics project, focusing on efficiency in terms of weight supported versus the weight of the cantilever itself. Participants explore different design approaches and structural considerations, including the use of craft sticks and triangular configurations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Scott presents two design sketches for a cantilever made from craft sticks, seeking opinions on which would be more efficient.
  • Some participants suggest that using fewer sticks could improve efficiency, as less material may lead to a lighter structure.
  • Mr. Robin Parsons proposes a design involving a right triangle with two members glued together and a member at a 45-degree angle, emphasizing the importance of cross-sectional shape.
  • Scott expresses confusion over technical terms like "member" and "rectangular cross section," requesting visual aids for better understanding.
  • Another participant suggests that the design should feature a shape resembling an "A," with specific height-to-width ratios to enhance stability and efficiency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that reducing the amount of material used could improve the efficiency of the cantilever. However, there are differing opinions on specific design approaches and structural configurations, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention varying angles for triangular designs (90-45-45 versus 60-60-60) and the implications of stick length and weight, but these aspects remain open for further exploration and clarification.

shutout31
Messages
3
Reaction score
0
Hi, I'm doing a project for my HS physics class. I need to build a cantilever out of craft sticks (I'm using thin bass wood sticks) that needs to be at least 12 inches long. I'm being graded on the efficiency of it by weight (amount of weight it holds on the end divided by the weight of the cantilever). One end will be fixed while the other end will have the weight at 12 inches out. The teacher will add weight until it breaks. I have two plans that I narrowed it down to but I need your opinion for which design would be more efficient, look here for the rough sketches:

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/3/web/507000-507999/507399_15_full.jpg

The design will be have two sides like that and single pieces of wood to connect the two.

The other question I have is what angles should I make the triangles? 90-45-45 or 60-60-60?

Thanks in advance.

- Scott
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
anyone please?
 
Your designs are interesting, but you could (probably) use fewer sticksm, I would think...
 
Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
Your designs are interesting, but you could (probably) use fewer sticksm, I would think...
Since weight is important, yeah, using less would probably be better. I'm thinking a right triangle with two members glued together cantilevered and one member at say a 45 degree angle up from the end.

If you can pick the cross section, the cantilevered member needs to be about twice as high as it is wide, the two glued together are my way of creating a rectancular cross section beam.

If there are standard length craft sticks or a limit to their length, then my idea becomes a little iffy since stability is best with a single-piece (horizontally) main beam.
 
I think I get most of what your saying but I'm not familiar with some of the terms you use such as "member" and "rectangular cross section". Is there any way you could do a sketch on microsoft draw or something? I'd really appreciate it. I'm just not good at terms and comprehension. That's why I hate literiture. And in case you were wondering, my ideas are based off this: http://www.brantacan.co.uk/ForthRail.jpg and how a crane is built. Also, the sticks are almost 3 feet long so I think I'm good for any length I need. The sticks are also very light, about the same weight as balsa (slightly more) so I don't think it hurts too much to have a little extra if it does in fact hold more. Thanks a lot for the help everyone.

- Scott
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Since you had mentioned that your mark would be based upon weight of the structure 'divided' by weight that it holds, I had thought you would be looking for the least possible weight of structure, hence "use less sticks" is good advice (right?) Try something like drawing just the bottom half and then a large "A" (or ^ that shape) that has a top that goes twice as high as the height of the body it is spanning, ergo twice a distant upon it's front face as well...means that the top half of the A will stick up above the top flat surface of the (bottom) structure...
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
2K
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
4K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
5K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
5K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
4K
  • · Replies 25 ·
Replies
25
Views
8K