Is 4-Dimensional Space Achievable with Superstring Theory?

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The discussion centers on the possibility of 4-dimensional space within the framework of superstring theory, exploring the implications of dimensionality in physics and mathematics. Participants examine the theoretical underpinnings, mathematical definitions, and physical constraints related to dimensions beyond the conventional three-dimensional space.

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  • Some participants question the physical possibility of 4-dimensional space, citing hints from renormalization theory and potential restrictions from quantum mechanics and gravity.
  • There is a discussion on the definition of "dimension," with one participant explaining that dimensions can refer to the number of coordinates needed to identify points in various contexts, including time as the fourth dimension.
  • Another participant mentions that superstring theory suggests a minimum of 11 dimensions, which has evolved from earlier proposals of over 100 dimensions, highlighting the mathematical ease of adding dimensions compared to the challenge of visualizing them.
  • Participants note that in abstract mathematics, dimensions can extend beyond the conventional definitions, including fractional dimensions as seen in fractals.

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Participants express differing views on the nature and implications of dimensions in physics, with no consensus reached on the feasibility of 4-dimensional space or the requirements of superstring theory.

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Discussions involve varying interpretations of dimensionality, the relationship between mathematical models and physical theories, and the complexities of visualizing higher dimensions. There are unresolved questions regarding the consistency of dynamical interacting theories in higher dimensions.

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there is up to 3-D but

is 4-D possible ?
 
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Do you mean physically? There was already some hints against it from renormalization theory, and now recently I have noticed additional restrictions could come from quantum mechanics and from gravity.

There are mathematical spaces beyond 3d of course, but the point is if dinamical interacting theories can be consistently built.
 
In what sense? "dimension", in its most general definition, just means how many numbers you need to identify something of interest. If I'm draw a graph in the plane, I need two numbers to identify each point- that's two dimensional. If I am drawing graphs in space I need 3 numbers- three dimensional. Physicist work, most fundamentally, with "events": things that happen at a particular point at a particular time. That requires 4 numbers- 3 numbers to identify the point and one number to identify the time: 4 dimensions (and the "fourth dimension" is time).

If, instead of individual points, I were doing a problem envolving a stick moving through the air, I might use 3 numbers to identify the position of one end, one number for the time, and two more numbers to identify angles the stick makes with the coordinate axes (so that I can identify the position of any point on the stick at any time): that's 6 dimensional!

Even more complex is dealing with a plasma: I might have thousands of ions (call it n) all at different positions moving at different velocities. Two determine that exactly, I would need to identify the position of each ion (3 numbers each) as well as the velocity of each ion (another 3 numbers each) at time t (one number). That's a total of 6n+ 1 dimensions for some extremely large n!

And that's talking about physics. If you get in abstract mathematics, anything goes! The theory of "fractals" deals with fractional dimensions. In particular, the "Cantor ternary set" has dimension log(3)/log(2).
 
3-d 4-d 11-d

The fourth dimension is time

But now with the production of superstring theory it requires there to be a minimum of 11 dimensions (that some describe twisted) When Superstring theory first came out it called for over 100 dimenions but now its down to 11 minimum. (you see it is very easy to add a dimension mathmatically although hard if not impossible to visually be able to have a concept of them for example volume of box is side A * side B * side C = volume Therefore a volume of a 5 dimensional object would be side1*side2*side3*side4*side5=volume.
 

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