What is the center of mass location for the Earth-Moon system?

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The discussion revolves around determining the location of the center of mass for the Earth-Moon system, specifically in relation to the center of mass of the Earth and the surface of the Earth. The context includes gravitational forces and fields as part of the broader topic of physics, particularly in a homework setting.

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  • One participant presents the average distance between the Earth and Moon and the mass ratio, prompting a calculation of the center of mass.
  • Another participant provides the formula for calculating the center of mass, suggesting that understanding this concept is crucial for solving the problem.
  • A different participant expresses that they have not yet learned the concept of center of mass, indicating a gap in knowledge related to the topic.
  • One participant challenges another's understanding, emphasizing the need to find the center of mass specifically for the Earth-Moon system rather than discussing unrelated concepts.
  • Further clarification is given on how to apply the center of mass formula using the Earth and Moon's masses and their distance apart.
  • There is a suggestion that the problem's context regarding gravitational force may not be directly relevant to finding the center of mass.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the concept of center of mass and its application to the Earth-Moon system. There is no consensus on the best approach to solving the problem, and some participants are at different stages of learning.

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Some participants indicate a lack of familiarity with the concept of center of mass, which may limit their ability to engage fully with the problem. Additionally, there are references to specific equations and concepts that may not have been covered in the participants' coursework yet.

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nedd help w/ this one: gravitational force

the spatial average distance b/t the Earth and the moon, center to center, is about 3.84x10^8m. the mass of the Earth is 80 times the masss of the moon. determine the location of the center of mass of the earth-moon system: A)relatives to the center of mass of the earth; B)relative to the surface of the earth.
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I think what you need to know has less to do with gravitation and more with whayt the centre of mass is.

A coordinate (say x) of the centre of mass is given by:

[itex]x_{cm}=\frac{\sum_i x_i m_i}{\sum_i m_i}[/itex]

by choosing your coordinate system and using these relations you should be able to answer the problem.
Hope this helps

And I am so glad you guys finally allow tex :p
 
i haven't learn that stuff yet that you just mentioned. this is chapter 6. the top of the book says grativational force and field.

we use these eq.
[tex]F=ma[/tex] and [tex]F=\frac{GMm}{r^2}[/tex]
 
profuse007, you haven't gotten any explanation of what center of mass is yet?
 
thats the whole question.
 
No, that's not the whole question. The "whole question" was asking you to find the center of mass in this particular situation.
No one is going to ask you to find "asfdwefs" with first defining "asfdwefs"! Even if your instructor has not given you the definition in class, it is surely in your textbook. In any case, Philcorp has given you the formula: [itex]x_{cm}=\frac{\sum_i x_i m_i}{\sum_i m_i}[/itex].

In this particular case, there are only two masses, the Earth and the moon. Take the mass of the moon, m1 to be 1 and the mass of the earth, m2, to be 80 (since the Earth is 80 times the mass of the moon). To find the center of mass of the earth-moon system "relative to the center of mass of the earth", A, take x1 to be 0 (take the center of mass of the Earth to be the 0 point) and x2 to be 3.84x10^8m. To find the center of mass of the earth-moon system "relative to the center of mass of the moon", B, take x2 to be 0 (take the center of mass of the moon to be the 0 point) and x1 to be 3.84x10^8m.

Finally, as Philcorp also told you, this problem has nothing whatever to do with "gravitational force". They may be using it to make the point that although the Earth and moon both rotate around their common center of mass, that is so close to the center of the Earth that it appears that the moon is rotating around the earth.
 
Perhaps i should have been more explicit...
 

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