Light Refraction: How it Colors Our Sky

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The discussion explores the relationship between light refraction and the coloration of the sky, particularly focusing on the mechanisms behind the perception of a blue sky and the role of scattering versus refraction.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the connection between light refraction and the color of the sky, seeking clarification on the topic.
  • Another participant asserts that the blue sky is primarily due to Rayleigh scattering rather than refraction, explaining the scattering mechanism and its dependence on wavelength.
  • A participant requests further details on the dipole mechanism of Rayleigh scattering and questions whether scattering can be considered a type of refraction.
  • Another participant suggests that reflection, refraction, and scattering may be similar processes from the perspective of photon-electron interactions, and discusses the relationship between scattering and the structure of atmospheric molecules.
  • This participant also references concepts from their undergraduate electromagnetism course, mentioning the polarization of scattered light and the dependence of scattering intensity on the wavelength.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the roles of refraction and scattering in the coloration of the sky, with no consensus reached on the relationship between these phenomena.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the complexity of the mechanisms involved, including the assumptions about the interactions at the molecular level and the conditions under which scattering occurs.

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What does light refraction have to do with the sky being blue (or any color for that matter)?

Thanks for any replies.
 
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Our perception of a blue sky has more to do with Rayleigh scattering than refraction. Due to dipole moments in the molecules that make up the atmosphere, incident light (from the sun) is scattered. The intensity of this scattering is proportional to (1/λ)4, so that shorter wavelengths are scattered more strongly. (Since the eye has cones that detect red, green, and blue light, the net effect is that we perceive the sky to be blue.)
 
jamesrc,

Thanks for the reminder. Can you further detail the dipole mechanism of Rayleigh scattering? (Isn't scattering a type of refraction?)
 
I guess from the standpoint of photon-electron interaction, reflection, refraction, and scattering are all similar/the same. But yeah, I think that refraction is the result of the combined scattering by the individual molecules of some material. Since these molecules are arranged in some structure, that combination results in the refracted beam and the reflected beam (radiation in other directions destructively interferes). Beyond that, I'm not really qualified to comment; what I said may even be off base.

As far as the scattering in the skies goes, here's what I remember from my undergrad EM course:
we're dealing with a non-relativistic situation where the scattering radius is on the order of the Bohr radius, which << than the wavelength of visible light. The dipoles in the molecules of the atmosphere are driven by the electric field in the incident wave, and the scattered light comes out polarized. So you end up with the Larmor radiation formula with that &omega;4 dependence. I was going to try to transcirbe my old notes, but
this has the same stuff only with better organization.
 

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