How can we see the cosmic background radiation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of cosmic background radiation (CBR) and how it can be observed today, particularly in relation to the Big Bang and the particles involved. Participants explore theoretical implications and the mechanics of light propagation in an expanding universe.

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Main Points Raised

  • Chax questions how we can see CBR if we are made of the same particles that emitted it, suggesting that matter must have traveled faster than light at some point to avoid violating light-cone rules.
  • Some participants propose that the observation of CBR involves looking into the past, allowing for a separation from the original particles over time.
  • A humorous remark is made about the potential consequences of sending signals into space, reflecting on the nature of communication with extraterrestrial life.
  • A later reply clarifies that the universe was much larger at the time the CMB was released than one might assume, and discusses cosmic inflation as a mechanism that allows for faster-than-light expansion without contradicting General Relativity.
  • Another participant emphasizes that we are not made of the same particles that emitted the CMB photons we observe today, as those particles are now very distant from us.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of being made of the same particles as those that emitted CBR, with some agreeing on the mechanics of cosmic inflation while others maintain a more skeptical stance regarding the interpretation of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of the initial singularity and the implications of cosmic inflation on the observation of CBR. The discussion does not reach a consensus on these points.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in cosmology, the Big Bang theory, and the nature of cosmic background radiation may find this discussion relevant.

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I am wondering how it is possible that we see CBR. Here's why:
When the big bang occurred, there was a sea of particles that gave off radiation. Now, if we are now made out of those particles, then how are we seeing their radiation now?
The only way I see this happening is if matter traveled faster than light at some point. How else would we be seeing the radiation from the same particles we are made out of? It would be violating the light-cone rules. Can someone clarify this for me? Thanks
-Chax
 
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I think you need look no further than a static (one with no reception) channel on your T.V.
 
What's more, we are looking into the past with CBR. So, we have a long time to separate from those particles, but we are seeing them back in their primitive form much as our particles were.

Funny: So, those particles may some day very well become part of an ET fixing to hunt us down and exterminate us for unwittingly insulting them with our messages to outer space.
Indeed, what if those SOS signals you made as a kid playing with your Dad's flashlight actually translate into something insulting enough for ET to start an intergalactic war once ET sees it?

Oh no... What have you done??
 
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FizX said:
I am wondering how it is possible that we see CBR. Here's why:
When the big bang occurred, there was a sea of particles that gave off radiation. Now, if we are now made out of those particles, then how are we seeing their radiation now?
The only way I see this happening is if matter traveled faster than light at some point. How else would we be seeing the radiation from the same particles we are made out of? It would be violating the light-cone rules. Can someone clarify this for me? Thanks
-Chax

This is indeed a good question, which luckily has a solution!
The point here is that when the CMB (Cosmic Microwave Background) raditation was released, the universe was in fact much bigger than what one naively would think if one just let's it expand from a single point with the speed of light.
First of all, the initial singularity of the Big Bang need not be equivalent with that the universe started out from a single point. Somewhat loosley speaking the singularity just means that the density goes to infinity, not that the volume has to go to zero.
Secondly, even if the universe is finite in size (a closed universe) and once was much smaller, the period of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_inflation" saves the day, since during this epoch space expanded much faster than the speed of light (which does not contradict General Relativity). When the CMBR finally was released the space was already huge.
 
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The more fundamental thing to point out (apologies if I'm being too obvious here) is that was are not 'made out of those particles' that gave off the CMB photons that we see today. The stuff we are made of did give off CMB photons, but those photons are now a very very long way away from us. The material that gave of the particular CMB photons is by the same token a very long way away from us.
 
Thanks guys, that really helped.
 

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