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| May3-07, 07:11 AM | #1 |
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bilinear forms and wedge products
Hey folks,
I'm reading "Symmetry in Mechanics" by S. Singer and I'm stuck on an exercise. It asks to find an antisymmetric bilinear form on [tex]R^4[/tex] that cannot be written as a wedge product of two covectors. Here are my thoughts thus far: on [tex]R^2[/tex] its trivial to show that every antisymmetric bilinear form (ABF) is the product of two covectors. I just let F be an ABF and put in two vectors, v & w and expanded them in terms of a basis [tex]e_i[/tex]. I get something like: [tex]F(e_1,e_2)(v_1w_2-v_2w_1)[/tex] which easily maps into [tex]F(e_1,e_2)dx\wedge dy[/tex] and you can split up the wedge anyway you'd like to, to make two covectors whose wedge gives the same result as F. Now on [tex]R^3[/tex] are a little more complicated and I have a question about that as well. If I look at [tex]F(v,w)[/tex] where [tex]v,w\in R^3[/tex] and expand it in a basis [tex]e_i[/tex] I get what you'd expect, a cross product looking expression. Now if I also take the wedge product of two 1-forms on [tex]R^3[/tex], say [tex]\alpha,\beta[/tex] where [tex]\alpha = \alpha_idx^i[/tex] and [tex]\beta=\beta_idx^i[/tex] I get a 2-form with the coefficients you'd expect (they look like the components from a cross product). Now the expansion of the ABF, F, using the basis [tex]e_i[/tex]gives me that cross product looking thing, but with some additional constants which I denote as: [tex]F(e_i,e_j)=F_{ij}[/tex]. If I wish to take that ABF and associate it to a product of covectors I thought I could just equate coeffcients and solve. If I do that I get the following system: [tex]\alpha_1\beta_2-\alpha_2\beta_1=F_{12}[/tex] [tex]\alpha_2\beta_3-\alpha_3\beta_2=F_{23}[/tex] [tex]\alpha_1\beta_3-\alpha_3\beta_1=F_{13}[/tex] If i suppose that I pick my [tex]\alpha_k[/tex] first I get a matrix that's inconsistent. But of course I'm doing something stupid here because you're supposed to be able to associate ABF with wedge products of covectors in [tex]R^3[/tex]. So as you can see, I'm lost. I'd appreciate some direction. Many thanks, Kevin |
| May3-07, 10:01 AM | #2 |
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this is discussed in the l;ittle book once read communaly here by david bachman, possibly still available free or at least the running commentray here on all the exercieses. ask tom mattson.
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| May3-07, 06:18 PM | #3 |
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Thanks Math Wonk. I've read it and see now an example of a 2-form which is not a wedge of two covectors and I also see how I had gone awry in my method of associating 2-forms to wedges.
One last point, it seems as though 2-forms are "identical" to antisymmetric bilinear forms? Thanks for your help, Kevin |
| May8-07, 12:05 PM | #4 |
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bilinear forms and wedge productsAs for the question of representing a 2-form as a wedge product of two 1-forms. As far as I understand, one can make a general statement that it is sufficient to write n/2 wedge products to represent a 2-form in n-dimensional space. So in four dimensions any 2-form can be written as [tex]a\wedge b+c\wedge d[/tex]. But I can't remember how this is proved. I seem to remember that this is called "Darboux theory" but I'm not sure any more. |
| May13-07, 10:38 AM | #5 |
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the phrase "n-form" has more than one meaning depending on the author.
to me it means a field of antisymmetric multilinear functions, but as defined above and in bachman, the usage is for just one of them. |
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