Testing General Relativity, and perhaps Quantum Gravity

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The discussion revolves around upcoming tests of General Relativity (GR) and potential deviations from it, particularly through various space missions such as LATOR, LISA, GAIA, and Gravity Probe B. Participants express excitement about the implications of these tests for theoretical physics and the possibility of new experimental results.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight the significance of upcoming missions like LATOR and LISA in testing GR and potentially revealing new physics.
  • There is anticipation for the results from Gravity Probe B, with some participants expressing confidence that the results will conform to GR.
  • Others speculate about the implications if Gravity Probe B's results differ from GR, suggesting it could challenge foundational aspects of modern physics.
  • One participant mentions the "bizarre slowing of satellite bug," possibly referring to the Pioneer anomaly, and notes that it remains unresolved with ongoing analyses.
  • There is a call for those with alternative theories to predict the outcomes of Gravity Probe B, indicating a willingness to explore competing models.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express excitement about the upcoming tests, but there is no consensus on the expected outcomes of Gravity Probe B or the implications of potential deviations from GR. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of results and their significance.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various space missions and their expected contributions to fundamental physics, but the discussion does not resolve the uncertainties surrounding the implications of the results or the status of competing theories.

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This discussion may be of interest to those following developments in theoretical physics, particularly in the context of General Relativity and experimental tests of its predictions.

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Not sure where to put this, so I'll drop it here.

It seems that both NASA and ESA are committed to performing tests that may show deviations from GR.

NASA has LATOR

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/26mar_einstein.htm

And ESA has LISA
http://www.esa.int/esaSC/120376_index_0_m.html

and GAIA,
http://www.esa.int/esaSC/120377_index_0_m.html

and BepiColombo
http://www.esa.int/esaSC/120391_index_0_m.html

The main ESA fundamental physics page explains the relation between the missions:
http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=30467

All of these mission should be operational by the end of the decade.
All in all, I think that the 2010's will be an exicting time to do physics, as we may finally get some new experimental results that the theorists (which I will hopefully be joining) can sink their teeth in.

Any thoughts, comments?
 
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Yes, it is an exciting time to be alive for science. I have been following LIGO and looking forward to LISA. Meanwhile, we should be gettingnusefull information from Gravity Probe B , which is due to launch in a couple of weeks (April 17, to be exact).

The data's on the way; going to git some 4-1-1! :biggrin:
 
4-1-1?

There's also a thread in General Astronomy & Cosmology talking about LATOR too; can we combine them?
 
Update: Gravity Probe B prepped for launch

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1189322,00.html

If the experiment confirms the general theory of relativity, it will be a stunning tribute for Albert Einstein in the centenary year of his annus mirabilis. If the results turn out to be different, then the cat will truly be put among the pigeons. A central pillar of modern physics will have collapsed, with consequences that can scarcely be predicted. Our painstakingly crafted understanding of stars, black holes and the universe would be thrown into the melting pot. The stakes are therefore very high. To paraphrase Neil Armstrong, one tiny twist for a gyroscope would turn out to be one giant leap for theoretical physics.
 
Nereid said:
4-1-1?

Sorry; "information". Got a little excited.
 
LURCH said:
Sorry; "information". Got a little excited.
Let me guess ... in the US, if you dial 411, a friendly voice-activated system will try to find a telephone number for you (in exchange for your hard-earned cash?); if it fails you *might* be connected to a real live human (possibly in the Philippines), and everyone ( :smile: ) in the US calls this 'information'? :cool:
 
Nereid said:
Let me guess ... in the US, if you dial 411, a friendly voice-activated system will try to find a telephone number for you (in exchange for your hard-earned cash?); if it fails you *might* be connected to a real live human (possibly in the Philippines), and everyone ( :smile: ) in the US calls this 'information'? :cool:

Exacterly :wink:
 
let's try this in the relativity forum...
 
@ FZ+
Yeah!
Gravity probe B rulz! What a fantastic piece of kit!
Anyone fancy guessing if the GPB results will conform with GR?

I reckon they'll totally conform!
Space time is warped by gravity. We already knew really. And we known pretty much exactly how much it is warped, since 1916.
But it's just nice to go over old familiar ground. Just like when you replay all the deathmatch levels on unreal tournament. 'cept this cost a bit more. About $700m more.

But it's not a certainty!
Has that bizarre slowing of satelitte bug been squashed yet? Any chance GPB will shed light on that?
 
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Gravity Probe B

Now's the chance for all those with alternative theories to GR: what do YOU predict the GPB results will be? Write them down, and publish them (e.g. in PF's own Theory Development).

"bizzare slowing of satellite bug" = Pioneer anomaly? If so, AFAIK it remains just that, an anomaly; no other observations to confirm it, yet further analyses continue to fail to identify its origin as a systematic effect, due to known phenomena.
 

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