What is the force constant of the spring in this physics lab experiment?

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The discussion revolves around a physics lab experiment involving a 0.200-kg air-track glider attached to an ideal spring. The original poster seeks to determine the spring's force constant based on the time it takes for the glider to oscillate through the equilibrium position.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the relationship between angular frequency, frequency, and period, and how to apply these concepts to calculate the spring constant. Some participants suggest using equations of motion and periodicity to derive the necessary values.

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Participants have provided various insights into the relationship between period and angular frequency, with some clarifying definitions and equations. The original poster expresses improved understanding, indicating that the discussion is productive and moving towards clarity.

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There is some confusion regarding the definitions of period and angular frequency, as well as the implications of measuring time from the equilibrium position. The original poster notes difficulty with these concepts, which may affect their calculations.

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hello everybody:
here is my question:

In a physics lab, you attach a 0.200-kg air-track glider to the end of an ideal spring of negligible mass and start it oscillating. The elapsed time from when the glider first moves through the equilibrium point to the second time it moves through that point is 2.60 s.
what is the spring's force constant?
how can i calculate that? how can i get the period ?
do i use the formula
Code:
omega = sqrt (k/m)
? I'm confused between frequency and angular frequency. can u tell me how to use those formulas for this problem.
thanks :wink:
 
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The behavior of a spring is a bit like seeing a spinning wheel head on - you only see one of the components of circular motion.

You can describe the position of the mass as [tex]p(t) = r \sin {\omega} t[/tex] You know that [tex]p(0)=p(2.60)=0[/tex], so you should be able to find [tex]\omega[/tex] and use your formula from there.
 
The motion is going to be described by the equation

[tex]x = A\cos{(\omega t)}[/tex]

where x is the displacement off of the equilibrium position, t is the time, and omega ([itex]\omega[/itex]) is as you said it was.

We immediately see that the motion is periodic. Whenever the expression cosine is operating on is equal to

[tex]\frac{(n+1)\pi}{2}[/tex]
n is any integer,

then the cosine will be zero and the displacement will be zero, i.e. it will be at the equilibrium position. So the first time it passes through the equilibrium point is whenever what's inside the cosine is equal to pi/2, the second time whenever what's inside the cosine is equal to 3pi/2.

Now you know that the time in the first one is some convenient moment in time, say zero, and the time in the second one is 0 + 2.60s. So now we have an equation and you can solve for the spring constant.

It takes 2.6 seconds to go from the equilibrium position and back, and that's half a period, so what do you think the period is?

Frequency is the one over the period. Angular frequency is omega.

cookiemonster

Edit: Just so my post doesn't seem to conflict with Nate's post (they don't), the generalized description of motion of a spring is

[tex]x = A\cos{(\omega t + \phi)}[/tex]

note that for a special choice of [itex]\phi[/itex] you go from the cosine formula to the sine formula. Since we don't have any initial conditions anyway, we can choose [itex]\phi[/itex] to be whatever we want in this problem, which is why both formulas are acceptable.
 
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Several things:
(1) The period is the time for one complete cycle: it would be the time from when the glider moves through the equilibrium point to the next time it moves through that point in the same direction.
(2) [itex]\omega[/itex] is angular frequency, measured in radians/sec; frequency is cycles/sec. One cycle = [itex]2 \pi[/itex] radians. So [itex]\omega = \frac{2 \pi}{period}[/itex]

Depending on what you measured (see #1), your period would be either 2.60 sec or twice that. Find the angular frequency and solve for k.

Note: while I was writing this I see that NateTG and cookiemonster have answered you. Oh well, what's one more? :smile:
 
thanks to all 3 of you! I understand much better now. I was getting confused as to how to set the period thing , i get confused everytime they talk about the equilibrium position and so on. :-p
i'll bother some more later.
thanks again
 
If you'd have thrown in the Acos(wt) + Bsin(wt) formula in there, Doc Al, we would've had a clean sweep!

cookiemonster
 
cookiemonster said:
If you'd have thrown in the Acos(wt) + Bsin(wt) formula in there, Doc Al, we would've had a clean sweep!
I can always go back and edit it in! :wink:
 

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